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bigjon on 27 December 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
The_vagabond7 said:
also another beef is this idea of "professional" videogame journalism. Anybody ever listen to sports talk shows, or sports writing? Watch any political shows, or read political commentary? Anybody? Since when have sports commentators spoken equally of all teams and players? Since when did they make sure that no team got it's feelings hurt, or never said anything negative (deserved or undeserved) about coaches/players/teams/fans? Since when did political commentators make sure to play nice with all the candidates and present all of their views as valid? It's a videogame talk show, and listening to it I can't tell the difference between it and any other talk show.

Sorry if it hurts your feelings that they don't give blowjobs to your system of choice, but that isn't there job. They are their to voice their views of the industry and Nintendo has given them an abundance of ammo to voice their feelings. Sorry if they aren't the right demographic. Maybe they should have a 1up show soccermom edition so you can get some positive feedback on the wii. But they are the core gamer, and they are mirroring the views of most core gamers right now. I have a wii and love it, but it's sucked ass this second half of the year, sorry. I don't feel offended when they say those things, I know where they are coming from.

But this isn't about 3 giant companies duking it out like sports teams or politicians.  This is about 3 giant companies, a dozen large companies, and tons of small companies making interactive games and stories and simulators and trying to sell them to us.  I want reviewers to be educated about game history, storytelling, visual art, music, film editing, and some sort of art analysis.  Game reviewers usually only know about the last generation or 2, and only about their favorite few genres.

Almost all my classes right now are about critical analysis of films in tons of retarded ways, basically training me to become a film critic.  It doesn't make my opinions better, but I think it makes me better at expressing my opinions without being a total dooshbag like every game reviewer out there.  And I have to study every genre of film and learn how to discuss them differently.  If somebody's been playing games for 5-10 years and has played every shooter there is but only 1 or 2 casual games which they absolutely hate, they shouldn't be reviewing games, and they should be at a niche site where they review shooters only.  These reviewers know nothing about games, art, journalism, or critical analysis.  Grampy's even discovered that one of them doesn't read at all and can't even spell tacos or spaghetti, his own favorite foods.

The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
 

In politics, whenever they talk to an analyst they tend to be introduced with their bias being addressed like "Michael Regan, Conservative Commentator" ...

Notice it's called "Conservative Commentator" and not "bible thumping homophobe". Labeling them as "PS3 fanboys" or "360 Fanboys" is ludicris. They are the core gamer, and that much should be obvious to begin with seeing as how they are all men in their late twenties or thirties that have played videogames their entire life and have a talk show about it. You don't listen to Rush Limbaugh and complain that he isn't giving Democrats a fair shake.

And sports commentators aren't required to say which team is their favorite and be judged adveresly as unqualified to have a talk show for it.

But the fact that they want to call themselves "core gamers" even though they are the smallest hardcore niche nobody cares about is offensive on its own.  It just shows that they want to pretend they're the entire game industry, when they're just the tiniest but loudest crybaby segment of gamers.  They hope that if they can yell on the internet louder than Nintendo fans, that they'll stay relevant.

What business do "hardcore" gamers have even talking about casual games they know nothing about?  They have constantly defined themselves as good and casual games/gamers as bad, so why do they need to fuck up Metacritic with all their hate?  They just dive on casual games like fanboys on the IMDB ratings.

When a hardcore reviewer tells me a casual game sucks because it's casual, or sucks because it's just minigames, their entire "informed opinion" boils down to "This game sucks because it succeeds at its goals."  If a game is intended to be casual, or intended to be minigames, then that is not a bad thing at all.  I haven't seen a film reviewer praising every action film and hating every comedy and documentary that comes out.

Sky Render said:
Nothing of note about gaming journalism has actually changed in the last 20 years. The real difference now is that the self-proclaimed "gaming press" has set itself against the mainstream opinion, and thus the smokescreen is cleared and the truth is revealed: that the quality of this writing remains as childish as it was back when Nintendo Power was gushing about how 'rad' and 'awesome' every game that came out was.

I think Sky Render aced it right here.  I agree with every part of this except the end.  In the 80's every game that came out WAS rad and awesome.

Right on man, the videogaming industry is starting to become like the movie industry. You have the elites who only like "certain" types of films, they say they are better and give them oscars. But a majority of movie dollars goes to the mainstream.

but ever once in a while there is a movie that is appreciated by both, that is when you get a Titantic, or Dark Knight... in the videogames industry that would be Halo, GTA, Zelda, Mario and a few others.

 



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Viper1 on 27 December 2008

Valkyria00, much of the mainstream media is occupied with elitist man children who cannot see beyond the scope of their niche.

While entitled to their own opinions and podcast content, it should be noted that their relevance and credibility wither with each instance of disregard and animosity.


By all means, let them devalue their existence and further render their voices the obsolescence it caters upon.



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psrock on 27 December 2008

these 1up guys are great. They speak their minds which i like and they complain about all three consoles btw, but somehow you only heard the wii part, hahaha



Did you hear about the fun they had about Home, no, listen again.



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The_vagabond7 on 27 December 2008
Viper1 said:
Valkyria00, much of the mainstream media is occupied with elitist man children who cannot see beyond the scope of their niche.

While entitled to their own opinions and podcast content, it should be noted that their relevance and credibility wither with each instance of disregard and animosity.


By all means, let them devalue their existence and further render their voices the obsolescence it caters upon.

I don't think they are dooming themselves to obscurity seeing as how most people that go to websites about videogames and listen to podcasts are core gamers that largely agree with them.

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Viper1 on 27 December 2008
The_vagabond7 said:
Viper1 said:
Valkyria00, much of the mainstream media is occupied with elitist man children who cannot see beyond the scope of their niche.

While entitled to their own opinions and podcast content, it should be noted that their relevance and credibility wither with each instance of disregard and animosity.


By all means, let them devalue their existence and further render their voices the obsolescence it caters upon.

 

I don't think they are dooming themselves to obscurity seeing as how most people that go to websites about videogames and listen to podcasts are core gamers that largely agree with them.

Dooming themselves and hindering their credibility and relevance aren't quite the same thing.

 

Sure, they'll have a market to cater to but it's market being condensed around a larger, growing market.   Consider a media company that failled to cater to the TV (radio only) market once TV became the dominant media format.  Yes, they maintained a market but it became a niche market.  Worse for 1up is that they seem to have contempt for the new market.  Now again, imagine that media company staying radio only AND showing obvious and blatant disregard, contempt and animosity for the new TV media format.   Not exactly a media company with a great future prevelance, wouldn't you say?

 



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Lurker on 27 December 2008

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Valkyria00 on 28 December 2008
psrock said:
these 1up guys are great. They speak their minds which i like and they complain about all three consoles btw, but somehow you only heard the wii part, hahaha



Did you hear about the fun they had about Home, no, listen again.

No I didnt just listen to the bash the Wii hahaha. Ive listen to the podcast since May.

Yes I heard the talk shit about home whats your point?

The way they talk about Home is nothing compared to what was stated above.

Id also like to add they said the DS hardly has any good 3rd party games except Square games and Castlevania. Its games are shit just like Wii. So fuck you 1UP no credibilty.

 



psrock on 28 December 2008
Valkyria00 said:
psrock said:
these 1up guys are great. They speak their minds which i like and they complain about all three consoles btw, but somehow you only heard the wii part, hahaha



Did you hear about the fun they had about Home, no, listen again.

No I didnt just listen to the bash the Wii hahaha. Ive listen to the podcast since May.

Yes I heard the talk shit about home whats your point?

The way they talk about Home is nothing compared to what was stated above.

Id also like to add they said the DS hardly has any good 3rd party games except Square games and Castlevania. Its games are shit just like Wii. So fuck you 1UP no credibilty.

 

dude, they wanted sony to cancel Home period. They also talked on how Sony might blame Harrison for spending so much money on that mess.

 

And the wii and DS bashing came from one guy. This is the same group who ripped Resistance 2 when it came out.

And you were listening since May, so the PS3 and 360 bashing didnt bother you then, huh.

p.s they were drinking heavvily.

 



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outlawauron on 28 December 2008
psrock said:
these 1up guys are great. They speak their minds which i like and they complain about all three consoles btw, but somehow you only heard the wii part, hahaha



Did you hear about the fun they had about Home, no, listen again.

I suppose it cherry picking as they are harsh on every console (except for the DS), but they do pick hard on the Wii.

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Valkyria00 on 28 December 2008
psrock said:
Valkyria00 said:
psrock said:
these 1up guys are great. They speak their minds which i like and they complain about all three consoles btw, but somehow you only heard the wii part, hahaha



Did you hear about the fun they had about Home, no, listen again.

No I didnt just listen to the bash the Wii hahaha. Ive listen to the podcast since May.

Yes I heard the talk shit about home whats your point?

The way they talk about Home is nothing compared to what was stated above.

Id also like to add they said the DS hardly has any good 3rd party games except Square games and Castlevania. Its games are shit just like Wii. So fuck you 1UP no credibilty.

 

dude, they wanted sony to cancel Home period. They also talked on how Sony might blame Harrison for spending so much money on that mess.

 

And the wii and DS bashing came from one guy. This is the same group who ripped Resistance 2 when it came out.

And you were listening since May, so the PS3 and 360 bashing didnt bother you then, huh.

p.s they were drinking heavvily.

 

That not the console though. Its just a feature. Its like bashing the Check Mii Out Channel. They werent saying PS3 is garbage like they basically say about the Wii. They fact is they hardly talk about Wii and when they do its hardly positive which is completly unfair and again as professionals I think they should show some maturity and respect.

Everyone bashes a console at one point or another but the praise the HD consoles get over the Wii is absurd.

The bashing wasnt just Shane either. It was also that fat unpresentable fuck from Giant Bomb. At least I think it was him. Anyways its was someone else and Garnett  barely open his mouth he just let it go.

Granted Garnett and John are the only ones who show a bit of respect.