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leo-j on 26 December 2008

@Xander

Well what do you expect, famitsu smashed the game to bits with its reviews, alot of japanese gamers saw that and arent getting the game.

What can you expect? If MGS4 received a 75 metacritic score, do you think people would buy it?



 

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DMeisterJ on 26 December 2008

Hot damn.

Go Euphoria!



mrstickball on 26 December 2008
Torillian said:

Sorry but I just don't care to add all the PS1 and SNES RPG's, though someday I should get around to adding Earthbound and Mario RPG, those were both great. 

Honestly speaking Stick, I don't believe you've played all the games you claim.  I honestly don't, because you come off to me as someone who just got into the genre.  But since neither of us can prove one way or another I guess I'll leave it at that.

What do I say that makes you think I just got into the genre?

Would you like pictures of all the SNES/NES carts that I own? I can find them and take pictures of all the games I claim to own. I still have all the packin material that EB/Nintendo Power gave me when I purchased Chrono Trigger when it came out on SNES (of course, I could go even earlier and find my instruction manual to Lufia and the Fortress of Doom). I still have all the carts I claim to own, and can prove it at a moments notice. I've been involved in the genre since playing Dragon Quest 1 which was the 2nd or 3rd game I ever played (with Mega Man 3 being the first).

 



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Dgc1808 on 26 December 2008
Rei said:
Where do people take this "jRPGs get 50% of their sales from Japan" thing from? Unless we are talking about Dragon Quest I dont get it.

Final Fantasy sells more in the West
Kingdom Hearts sells more in the West
Star Ocean sells more in the West
Same for Tales of lately, and all recent new IPs like TLR, IU, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon.

Saying that japanese market is more important for jRPGs than the western one is very 1995-ish. Ever since FFVII came out it has been the other way around.

 

Final Fantasy XII:

Sales History

Region Japan America Others Total
Total Sales 2.42m 1.83m 0.84m 5.09m
Week 1 1,819,872 571,945 n/a 2,391,817
Week 2 242,040 151,479 n/a 393,519
Week 3 89,133 148,282 n/a 237,415
Week 4 42,108 177,734 n/a 219,842
Week 5 25,925 91,411 n/a 117,336
Week 6 16,675 94,978 n/a 111,653
Week 7 15,493 97,348 n/a 112,841
Week 8 14,133 71,374 n/a 85,507
Week 9 6,834 34,282 n/a 41,116
Week 10 6,126 27,295 n/a 33,421

Final Fantasy X-2:

Sales History

Region Japan America Others Total
Total Sales 2.41m 1.82m 0.98m 5.21m
Week 1 1,561,553 n/a n/a 1,561,553
Week 2 192,730 n/a n/a 192,730
Week 3 85,345 n/a n/a 85,345
Week 4 47,816 n/a n/a 47,816
Week 5 31,961 n/a n/a 31,961
Week 6 21,546 n/a n/a 21,546
Week 7 16,811 n/a n/a 16,811
Week 8 11,797 n/a n/a 11,797
Week 9 7,455 n/a n/a 7,455
Week 10 6,401 n/a n/a 6,401

Again...

Final Fantasy X:

Sales History

Region Japan America Others Total
Total Sales 3.02m 2.74m 2.19m 7.95m
Week 1 1,906,152 n/a n/a 1,906,152
Week 2 254,290 n/a n/a 254,290
Week 3 93,401 n/a n/a 93,401
Week 4 51,515 n/a n/a 51,515
Week 5 40,998 n/a n/a 40,998
Week 6 27,287 n/a n/a 27,287
Week 7 18,135 n/a n/a 18,135
Week 8 11,522 n/a n/a 11,522
Week 9 8,703 n/a n/a 8,703
Week 10 6,338 n/a n/a 6,338

 



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XanderZane on 26 December 2008
Solid_Raiden said:
Riachu said:
Solid_Raiden said:
So WKC's day one sales > the first week sales of any other HD JRPG this gen? That's amazing! I doubt this game had a HUGE budget so it's already starting to make it's money back. Unless the game just BOMBS in the US and others, this seems to have been a really good move by Sony.

WKC seems to have a pretty big budget as far I can tell. Look at those graphics. If the game was low budget, I doubt the graphics would look THAT good.

 

 

The graphics aren't THAT good... It may be one of the best looking JRPG's so far this gen but that's not saying much when compared to games in general. I highly doubt the game was of a big budget, maybe compared to some of the smaller JRPGs but in the grand scheme of things I doubt that it was huge budget. Either way, Sony was the one paying the bills, they will be the one to lose money if true. But I don't hear all of you complaining this much about all the 360 exclusive JRPGs that have most likely lost Microsoft some money. Either way, none of us know the real budget of the game and it's foolish to make assumptions about it and then try to argue with it.

The game was in development for more then 2yrs wasn't it? If that's the case, the budget was probably fairly large. Most of the Xbox 360 JPRG did not take 2 years to complete. Even though most of the JRPG made exclusively for the XBox 360 didn't sell as well as they should have, I doubt they lost a huge amount of money because development costs probably weren't as high as most JRPG's that take 2+yrs to create. FF XIII is costing SquareEnix a mint. Games like Tales of Vesperia and The Last Remnant will most likely get ported to the PS3. I don't expect sales to be that high when they get released either. Just look at Eternal Sonata and Enchant Arms.



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XanderZane on 26 December 2008
leo-j said:
@Xander

Well what do you expect, famitsu smashed the game to bits with its reviews, alot of japanese gamers saw that and arent getting the game.

What can you expect? If MGS4 received a 75 metacritic score, do you think people would buy it?

Hell yeah, they would buy it. Especially after all that hype and anticipation for the game. A lot of people don't use reviews to buy their games. I know it's probably different in Japan, but in the U.S. , reviews aren't the final say to get a game. I bought Infinite Undiscovery and Last Remnant, even though the reviews were the greatest.

Oh, and FF has already sold better in Japan. Look at the one week sales. People wonder why I'm disappointed in WKC 1 day sales.



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mrstickball on 26 December 2008
Dgc1808 said:
Rei said:
Where do people take this "jRPGs get 50% of their sales from Japan" thing from? Unless we are talking about Dragon Quest I dont get it.

Final Fantasy sells more in the West
Kingdom Hearts sells more in the West
Star Ocean sells more in the West
Same for Tales of lately, and all recent new IPs like TLR, IU, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon.

Saying that japanese market is more important for jRPGs than the western one is very 1995-ish. Ever since FFVII came out it has been the other way around.

 

Final Fantasy XII:

Sales History

Region Japan America Others Total
Total Sales 2.42m 1.83m 0.84m 5.09m
Week 1 1,819,872 571,945 n/a 2,391,817
Week 2 242,040 151,479 n/a 393,519
Week 3 89,133 148,282 n/a 237,415
Week 4 42,108 177,734 n/a 219,842
Week 5 25,925 91,411 n/a 117,336
Week 6 16,675 94,978 n/a 111,653
Week 7 15,493 97,348 n/a 112,841
Week 8 14,133 71,374 n/a 85,507
Week 9 6,834 34,282 n/a 41,116
Week 10 6,126 27,295 n/a 33,421

Final Fantasy X-2:

Sales History

Region Japan America Others Total
Total Sales 2.41m 1.82m 0.98m 5.21m
Week 1 1,561,553 n/a n/a 1,561,553
Week 2 192,730 n/a n/a 192,730
Week 3 85,345 n/a n/a 85,345
Week 4 47,816 n/a n/a 47,816
Week 5 31,961 n/a n/a 31,961
Week 6 21,546 n/a n/a 21,546
Week 7 16,811 n/a n/a 16,811
Week 8 11,797 n/a n/a 11,797
Week 9 7,455 n/a n/a 7,455
Week 10 6,401 n/a n/a 6,401

Again...

Final Fantasy X:

Sales History

Region Japan America Others Total
Total Sales 3.02m 2.74m 2.19m 7.95m
Week 1 1,906,152 n/a n/a 1,906,152
Week 2 254,290 n/a n/a 254,290
Week 3 93,401 n/a n/a 93,401
Week 4 51,515 n/a n/a 51,515
Week 5 40,998 n/a n/a 40,998
Week 6 27,287 n/a n/a 27,287
Week 7 18,135 n/a n/a 18,135
Week 8 11,522 n/a n/a 11,522
Week 9 8,703 n/a n/a 8,703
Week 10 6,338 n/a n/a 6,338

 

I think the point has been that the West, not NA or Europe, has sold more copies of said Final Fantasies than Japan alone....Which, in each of those cases, did outsell them.

 



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Dgc1808 on 26 December 2008
Euphoria14 said:

Why are people downplaying these sales?

WTF is wrong with people? Seriously, after reading through this entire thread I am fairly certain that some of the people I thought were JRPG fans are nothing more than recent JRPG bandwagon fans who only hopped on because of the 360 grabbing JRPG support because in all honesty before we started hearing about these JRPGs nobody would take the time to mention them. Now these "fans" see a game sell better first day than any other recent HD JRPG this gen did first week and it is "decent".


Make up your minds people on what is good and what isn't. Please go back into the TLR, LO, ToV, BD threads and change "nice sales" to "sales are a joke" because this is what I have gotten out of this thread so far.

I hear "PS3 has a bigger install base" BLAH BLAH BLAH! Which console this generation has moved more consoles to JRPG fans with their recent release of 5-6+ JRPG's this year? I am probably overstating the amount but you get my point. So I don't care who has a bigger install base, who SHOULD have a bigger JRPG fanbase when shifted consoles due to constant JRPG releases come into play? Maybe I am in the minority, who knows, but I would think that a big named JRPG like Tales should sell MUCH better than a new IP like WKC, regardless of install base since that entire install base are not JRPG fans, although in the 360s case considering recent sales, a lot of its install base SHOULD be JRPG fans.

Sorry, I am just kind of annoyed at the "fake" JRPG fans on this site. If you take offense to this comment, then well, I guess you fit into my little group here. If you do not fit into this group, then take no offense, simple as that.

If my rant makes no sense for some reason, oh well, I am tired and at the same time just wished people would stop being such downers all the time.

 

AMEN!!!!



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konnichiwa on 26 December 2008
Torillian said:
mrstickball said:
Torillian said:
@Stickball
Could you just stop? Really.....please? Just admit you have no idea on the budget of the game and therefore cannot even begin to guess how many sales it needs to see a profit. The fact that you try and downplay a JRPG's sales success just leads me to believe you aren't really a JRPG fan.

Here's an example: I personally thought that ToS2 was very average and not worth the praise it gets on these forums, but I do not go around lamenting its sales, on the contrary I am just happy that a JRPG is doing well, regardless of what system or what title. So stop trying to make WKC out to be a failure and just be happy that JRPG's are still alive and well.

How am I downplaying it's success? WKC may be Level 5's worst-selling Playstation RPG in quite a few years, so I'm trying to guess what 'sucuess' is. If you have a better opinion, please provide it.

I'm not arguing if it's a failure or not. But going by past Level 5 games, we can make certain statements regarding sellthrough.

And way to go attacking my JRPG sensibilities. Judging from your catalogue, you haven't been a fan of the genre for half the time I have. I love the JRPG genre, and I stated earlier in my post that I thought 132k was a pretty good number for it's first day. I'm not trying to downplay 132k - Merely asking where that number stands in the grand scheme of things for a game debuting on the largest-selling week of the year in Japan.

 

 

Sorry but I just don't care to add all the PS1 and SNES RPG's, though someday I should get around to adding Earthbound and Mario RPG, those were both great.

Honestly speaking Stick, I don't believe you've played all the games you claim.  I honestly don't, because you come off to me as someone who just got into the genre.  But since neither of us can prove one way or another I guess I'll leave it at that.


I agree with ya Torillian.

 






leo-j on 26 December 2008

If this game gets atleast a descent review "8.5 or higher" it will sell well in the west.

Im sure I will buy it, but if it gets low reviews, dont expect it to sell well.



 

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