Kwaad : the Wii then, isn't complete without a set of 4 wiimotes, which you don't even have to buy, especially when every "social gamer" brings his wiimote (notice that it's tailored for that too). And there's no need for a set of 4 nunchakus with that. I discovered Mario Party with the 4th one, when a brother-in-law lent it to my wife. I thought it was crap. It was actually a pretty good game, which my wife and I enjoyed a LOT. Then he lent me the 5th one, and it was very good too. I finished neither because they weren't mine, and I resisted the urge to buy the 7th one with the microphone. But I will sure buy the 8th one. It's not crap even on single player, if you're interested in unlocking everything. Problem is that it can be very long to play, and you must rely on luck sometimes. People that say it's crap sure won't be able to predict how the Wii will fare, because they can't even start to understand the demographic Nintendo is targeting. The worst is that these people can't even see a good game when they see one. I already saw that with Nintendogs and Brain Age : some hardcore gamers are completely unable to spot a good game, despite what common sense would tell you of people spending lots of hours in games. They can tell you the graphics is good, but they can't see, design or even understand a good game when you put one before them. Which is a good thing in fact, as it often means their prediction about Wii sales and its games are mostly wrong. Go Mario Party 8 !