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Impulsivity said:

most DS games suck PRETTY damn hard too.  After years on the market there are maybe 10 DS games worth a damn and so much shovelware that you could spend a year with a tractor working through it and still not be done.

 

I took you seriously until that point.

Seriously, there's so much fail there, it's not even worth responding to, but I will.

-Four Ace Attorney games (soon to be five)

-Elite Beat Agents

-New Super Mario Bros.

-Animal Crossing: Wild World

-Mega Man ZX and ZX Advent

-FFIII and FFIV

-Hotel Dusk

-Metroid Prime: Hunters

-Mario Kart DS

-Mario 64 DS

-Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time

-Castlevania: Order of Ecclessia

-Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure

-Nintendogs

-Dementium: The Ward

-Call of Duty 4 and World at War

-Brothers in Arms

-Bleach

-Naruto

-Advance Wars: Dual Strike

-Advance Wars: Days of Ruin

-Resident Evil: Deadly Silence

-Final Fantasy XII: Revenent Wings

 

So there's a quick list of thirty games (3x the arbitrary number you gave) off the top of my head.  Bye now!



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Yes yes, some of his statements about the competition are ludicrous. However the ipod touch/iphone combo will end up being far more important to gaming them people think it will. It most definitely wont supplant the DS but it will further expand the market and end up being extremely successful.



Pete_Beast said:
Buttons make up what handheld lovers want in their, well, handhelds when it comes to portable gaming.

Apple already tried to join the gaming industry and failed. That said, they won't be joining it anytime soon, they will simply let their products get games but will not publich them. Game designers aren't going to bet on a product that isn't built for gaming but rather suited for it.

I can see 5 year olds with a Nintendo DS but don't you find it awkward and even shake if you see a 5 year old with an iPhone or iTouch? The devices aren't made for gaming thus won't be sold as them.

Another thing, Apple won't open a Gaming Division. First party support matters too much, a handheld won't live out of only third party development.

How many mario games do you think are in iTouchs and iPhones? How many games from the SNES and NES era? Too many to count. Lets say all I said before does happen and Apple decides to open a gaming division. Nintendo and competitors would simply say "hey, don't use my products on your device, you're competition now".

Hold your breath, but you'll faint.

 

   You're right, the DS has 562 games after years of release, how could the iphone get developers to make anything for it compared with that huge number!?!?!

 

   Oh wait, as of right now the ipod touch/iphone has 3261 games, thats right in a few months there are 6 times the games on the iphone as on the DS.  A lot of them like Xplane, Katamari and others are FAR from shovelware too.  Did you not read where I said that iphone games are more or less pure profit with very little risk (since you're not putting out the huge amount of money cartridges and packaging cost)  Its like Wiiware, PSN and Xbox live on steroids.

 




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Of course, you can buy PSP games online for a lot less than the in store games. The same will be true for the DSi with several games priced at $5.



 

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Also lets not bring the pippin into this argument, the apple of then is not the apple of now. Apple have a huge and ever growing userbase to leverage with the ipod touch and iphones. Infact I've already seen tv ads about the ipod touches gaming abilities.

As I said they wont supplant the DS but games developers stand to make a lot of money.



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thekitchensink said:
Impulsivity said:

most DS games suck PRETTY damn hard too.  After years on the market there are maybe 10 DS games worth a damn and so much shovelware that you could spend a year with a tractor working through it and still not be done.

 

I took you seriously until that point.

Seriously, there's so much fail there, it's not even worth responding to, but I will.

-Four Ace Attorney games (soon to be five)

-Elite Beat Agents

-New Super Mario Bros.

-Animal Crossing: Wild World

-Mega Man ZX and ZX Advent

-FFIII and FFIV

-Hotel Dusk

-Metroid Prime: Hunters

-Mario Kart DS

-Mario 64 DS

-Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time

-Castlevania: Order of Ecclessia

-Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure

-Nintendogs

-Dementium: The Ward

-Call of Duty 4 and World at War

-Brothers in Arms

-Bleach

-Naruto

-Advance Wars: Dual Strike

-Advance Wars: Days of Ruin

-Resident Evil: Deadly Silence

-Final Fantasy XII: Revenent Wings

 

So there's a quick list of thirty games (3x the arbitrary number you gave) off the top of my head.  Bye now!

 

  and about how many of those do you think people who aren't kids/kids at heart would want to play?  I sure can't picture many adults playing Naruto or Animal Crossing.  I'm not talking about Nintendo fanboys when I'm saying the ipod will expand gaming, you already obviously own a handheld and are willing to pay 40 bucks for whatever.  I'm talking about the 95+ % of the population that would never ever buy a DS for any reason and doesn't really want to play a game with cartoon characters (yes playing sudoku counts as gaming too, the revenue comes in just the same).  Selling to the same 100 million people world wide that bought a gameboy is does not expand the market.




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FreeTalkLive said:
Of course, you can buy PSP games online for a lot less than the in store games. The same will be true for the DSi with several games priced at $5.

 

  But you have to buy the DSi or the PSP to play games.  A lot of people buy the ipod touch with no intention of playing games and just end up doing it because its so cheap/some of the games are so good.  

  Handhelds more or less require that you want to game to buy them and try the games out, the ipod/iphone gets people who would never buy a handheld in their life to game (like my sudoku playing mom who hasn't played a video game since the atari when she was in her 20s).  

  There are dozens of reasons people buy ipods/iphones that have nothing to do with gaming so gaming kind of rides along.  The PSP to some extent and the DS entirely depend on people wanting to buy the handheld to game so its not going to attract many people outside the already predisposed to gaming demographic. 




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thekitchensink said:
Impulsivity said:

most DS games suck PRETTY damn hard too.  After years on the market there are maybe 10 DS games worth a damn and so much shovelware that you could spend a year with a tractor working through it and still not be done.

 

I took you seriously until that point.

Seriously, there's so much fail there, it's not even worth responding to, but I will.

-Four Ace Attorney games (soon to be five)

-Elite Beat Agents

-New Super Mario Bros.

-Animal Crossing: Wild World

-Mega Man ZX and ZX Advent

-FFIII and FFIV

-Hotel Dusk

-Metroid Prime: Hunters

-Mario Kart DS

-Mario 64 DS

-Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time

-Castlevania: Order of Ecclessia

-Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure

-Nintendogs

-Dementium: The Ward

-Call of Duty 4 and World at War

-Brothers in Arms

-Bleach

-Naruto

-Advance Wars: Dual Strike

-Advance Wars: Days of Ruin

-Resident Evil: Deadly Silence

-Final Fantasy XII: Revenent Wings

 

So there's a quick list of thirty games (3x the arbitrary number you gave) off the top of my head.  Bye now!

And to add on to the list!

 

-Mega Man Star Force 1 & 2

-Meteos

-Pokemon D/P

-Zelda Phantom Hourglass

-Kirby Squeak Squad

-Kirby Canvas Curse

-Kirby Super Star Ultra (I consider it a remake and a half due to the fact the new game modes doubled the game length)

-Dragon Quest remakes

-Dragon Quest IX



Gaming on iPod/iPhone will definitely be a success, however it won't replace DS or PSP as real gaming devices:

1. Too simplistic controls. You give Wii as an example, but that's retarded, it still has 10 buttons, a pointer and motion controls. Touch screen only won't work for a lot of genres. That Wii is low quality is trolling.

2. You say DS will be replaced because the library is weak. I say you're insane. Really. The DS library is one of the best EVER in gaming and I can't believe you say there are 10 games on it. Either you never played a DS, you're trolling or you never played a DS.

3. Nintendo games won't be on iPod/Phone. Nintendogs, Brain Training, Mario, Zelda etc.

4. Apple won't advertise as a gaming device. Someone that's looking for a handheld platform will go to the store and buy a PSP or DS, not an iPhone. Not to mention the fact that people buy their phone for completely other reasons than handhelds. On iPod gaming is a nice EXTRA, not a core functionality. In Europe most people get their phones for free with a subscription. Not iPhone though, that one's only available with one phone company (in the States as well I believe, AT&T) and then it's still expensive. How many people do you think will buy an iPod for MGS Touch?



Roflinator said:

And to add on to the list!

 

-Mega Man Star Force 1 & 2

-Meteos

-Pokemon D/P

-Zelda Phantom Hourglass

-Kirby Squeak Squad

-Kirby Canvas Curse

-Kirby Super Star Ultra (I consider it a remake and a half due to the fact the new game modes doubled the game length)

-Dragon Quest remakes

-Dragon Quest IX

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