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Oh and for god sake sex is not disgusting or perverted.... that's so american to hear that..... if we had more sex and love on TV and less violence believe me the world would be way more peaceful.... oh and tell me beside XXX satellite channels you have to pay for... where you can see just a boob on TV in USA without having a patch censoring it... I'm curious to find that.... or a show where you don't have a bip every 10 seconds because the guy said shit and poor boby might become a gangsta if he hears that.... (they are some like south park, but really a few)... NA TV is one of the most soporific in western world.... go in south america or europe... now we are talking about sexy TV lol.... doesn't make us killing machines or sex predators more than the others, if not the opposite..... in NA especially USA (I lived in canada too) you have really a problem of over protection of your children (towards sex, drug, alcohol etc) which usually result in more extreme behavior at the end... (what's forbidden is more tempting as always especially for teens and young adults)....



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Also, don't forget there are big, big differences in living styles which make the Japanese market very different from the US. Small homes and high energy prices mean big, power-hungry consoles are less of an impulse buy; great mass transit and high population density means that portable games and media are everywhere (people watch cellphone TV, play games on the subway). Last but not least, Japan's high-tech society puts a premium on training and education of all kinds, so training games are sort of built into the culture, in much the same way strategy games are built into German culture (true story, they love their strat games) or sports games are built into US culture.

I just wonder how many of those PS3s and Wiis are actually being bought to be resold to the rest of East Asia, i.e. whether Korean and Chinese demand might be picking up now.



dirty minds think alike.
now, if you didn't have the perverted thoughts to begin with, what you just saw on your screen weren't sexual to others.



Video games are like other forms of entertainment, but because they are more expensive than tv, books,and movies people shop a little differently.

One analogy is Training Games and Budget titles are the paper backs, but unlike the literary industry most games sell more on the front end (not including Nintendo games).

Movies are a one time affair to many, so this doesn't compare well when talking sales. But, an anectdote, I know when I goto Wal-Mart I always look in the $5.50 bucket, and usually buy one. Same goes for used games under $10, or new under $20, for me.

I have bought games for $3-20 dollars that I NEVER would have bought for $60. Brain Age is one, Tales of Symphonia (I just didn't know it would be that good), GT4 (Like I said before, I still play 3), DQ8 (You know I played through that whole game and I can't remember if it was labeled DW or DQ. LOL), Vagrant Story, Chrono Cross, GTA3-series, Sports games, the list goes on and on.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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Bodhesatva said:

Mrstickball, and others: Just so people can see there is a flip side, examine this link.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/import-multi_tap/2chan-explains-why-japan-hates-xbox-360-280004.php?mail2=true

Explaining why the Xbox brand has not met Microsoft's expectations. Among the reasons are as follows:

"Its image is Western games and boob volleyball. With that, how are you supposed to buy it?"

"Foreigners are satisfied only with killing. Japanese are not that stupid."

Apparently, many Japanese see us Western Gamers as obsessed with Sex and Violence, and even call us stupid. Is that fair? Perhaps not, but it shows that it really does work both ways. The suggestion that we play "good" games and they play "stupid" ones (again, direct quote from Stickball) is precisely reversed by Japan -- many see our games as stupid. That doesn't make them right and us wrong, it means that it's a matter of perception and you shouldn't behave as if the games you tend to prefer are inherently better or smarter.

 


When I had a Japanese NES, I played that first Konami baseball game - the one with fat, short players (not unlike Miis) - and the game was awesome.

I then moved, and got a US NES - and bought that game again. Realistic people! Everything about the gameplay was the same except the look and feel of the players.

Both games are awesome - because apart from the cosmetic difference, they are the same game.

Suggesting that the Japanese have poor taste because they prefer short and fat ballplayers that look like Russian babushka dolls doesn't mean Western cultures have any better taste because they prefer realism.

It's just a matter of perspective, and in that regard, Microsoft could be doing much better catering to the wants of the Japanese demographic. If Microsoft managed to do that and sell even 1/2 as much as the PS3 in Japan, they would actually be sitting pretty in the console wars.

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That's a great way to put it.  MS is trying harder this time around with some dedicated titles like BD, ES, and LO, but these are just RPG's, and while they are pretty good for the most part, there's a lot more MS could do to not only gain ground in the JP region, but in the casual market as well.  Scene-it I think shows that MS has no clue how to do this.  They need games that are a little more "cutesy" (not kiddy), and at least some ripoff of brain training.  There's no reason they couldn't make a few of these and put them on XBL as $5 downloads.  Sports is a great example, they could easily make a game similar to Wii sports or HSG, these aren't intensely graphical, real physics, simulations of sports, they take sports and make them accessable to people who don't follow the PGA or MLB or whatever.  I'm sure there's better examples, but I think this thread has hit the nail on the head of why MS is losing Japan, but there are some simple things they could do to help out their situation.



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SlorgNet said:
Also, don't forget there are big, big differences in living styles which make the Japanese market very different from the US. Small homes and high energy prices mean big, power-hungry consoles are less of an impulse buy; great mass transit and high population density means that portable games and media are everywhere (people watch cellphone TV, play games on the subway). Last but not least, Japan's high-tech society puts a premium on training and education of all kinds, so training games are sort of built into the culture, in much the same way strategy games are built into German culture (true story, they love their strat games) or sports games are built into US culture.

I just wonder how many of those PS3s and Wiis are actually being bought to be resold to the rest of East Asia, i.e. whether Korean and Chinese demand might be picking up now.

 lol true... I use to live next to germany.... Blitz Kreig style lol :)....

I agree with you

hum oh and about the last paragraph I don't know but me I buy over Ebay games in NTSCus from taiwan based retailers.... lol it's that way I got a brand new copy of Forza 2 for 40 bucks+ the week of releases :)

so I guess some japs must do the same with the rest of the asian market.... if tawain is selling to USA lol 



I agree with what slorgnet, galaki, steven and king of the castle said.... great point of view :)



endimion said:
johnsobas said:
endimion said:
well I'm sorry but if you are into jap animation and i'm not talking about what you see on cartoon network but in general... they have a lot of sex or at least suggestive things about it... I'm not saying they are obsessed it's just integrated in it... with characters with oversized boobs and sexy outfit..... and no it's not a myth from the west.... I'm or I have seen at least 200 different jap animation title some of them you have to import from japan as you don't find them anywhere else in the world..... and japs are also big on killing in there games and animes.... it just might be a little bit more spiritual way of doing than just run and shoot.... but bottom line they enjoy it too... jap animation might be the animation genre where you can find the most violent and sexual one in the world.... and not for exportation.... so I haven't read the article yet but your two quote are not acurate...
and I'm not a noob on the matter I have about 21 or 22 years of jap animation culture behind me....

You're talking about anime, it's a small nitch in a large culture. Yea there are perverted anime and such, but in general the Japanese aren't like that. Don't use a niche to make assumption about a whole culture. I have a Japanese girlfriend right now, and she is disgusted by the kind of stuff that they show on TV here in America (even though they do have bad stuff on Japanese TV late at night). Culturally they do not like violence or sex as much as we do, don't give me an example using anime. I'm not saying one person's tastes are better than another, they are just different.

 


 lol maybe violence on TV in USA.... but if a developed country in the world is concervative about sex it's definately USA..... I'm not american I just live here for now.... I'm french and US TV is effing prudish lol.....

Francehas been the second consumer of jap animation for the past 20+ year and even their it's not a niche (i'm talking about jap anime in general not the extrem genre)..... it's entire  generations who grew up around that.... it's part of the culture, it's like sesame street and transformers in USA or the magic school bus or I don't know what else in USA (didn't grew up here).... so if jap animation is not a niche in France I highly doubt that it's a niche in japan especially when they have at least 20 if not a 100 time more animes and title than us in france... I have also IM friends and a lot of online friends in japan plus a friend who did her studies entirely focusing on japanese culture.... and they all admit that animation is a big big big part of their culture like marvel and DC comic books are in USA for some generations.... 

and I don't see what's wrong with it.... they have an amazingely rich culture that depict in their manga and that allow the genre to be as wide as the cinema is in hollywood if not way more than that..... I would be proud of that...

  


Look, i'm gonna respond to this once more and i'm done with you.  I just graduated from college with a double major in east asian studies/international business 2 days ago, i've been studying Japanese for 5 years, I lived in Japan for 1 year, I've had 2 Japanese girlfriends and one of them couldn't even speak English.  I keep a diary in Japanese on mixi, I am going to Japan later this year to start a job.  I don't care if you've been watching anime for 100 years, it doesn't tell you about the culture as a whole.  The kind of anime that has violence and sex is a small niche.  Anime itself is not entirely a niche in Japan because there are a few that are popular to everyone but those are kids (family) shows and light comedies.  You can watch stuff like Doraemon or Crayon Shin-chan on TV every day, but you can't watch most of the anime you are probably watching.  Some stuff like Princess Mononoke are huge, but most of the anime movies are nothing more than a niche.     



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johnsobas said:
endimion said:
johnsobas said:
endimion said:
well I'm sorry but if you are into jap animation and i'm not talking about what you see on cartoon network but in general... they have a lot of sex or at least suggestive things about it... I'm not saying they are obsessed it's just integrated in it... with characters with oversized boobs and sexy outfit..... and no it's not a myth from the west.... I'm or I have seen at least 200 different jap animation title some of them you have to import from japan as you don't find them anywhere else in the world..... and japs are also big on killing in there games and animes.... it just might be a little bit more spiritual way of doing than just run and shoot.... but bottom line they enjoy it too... jap animation might be the animation genre where you can find the most violent and sexual one in the world.... and not for exportation.... so I haven't read the article yet but your two quote are not acurate...
and I'm not a noob on the matter I have about 21 or 22 years of jap animation culture behind me....

You're talking about anime, it's a small nitch in a large culture. Yea there are perverted anime and such, but in general the Japanese aren't like that. Don't use a niche to make assumption about a whole culture. I have a Japanese girlfriend right now, and she is disgusted by the kind of stuff that they show on TV here in America (even though they do have bad stuff on Japanese TV late at night). Culturally they do not like violence or sex as much as we do, don't give me an example using anime. I'm not saying one person's tastes are better than another, they are just different.

 


lol maybe violence on TV in USA.... but if a developed country in the world is concervative about sex it's definately USA..... I'm not american I just live here for now.... I'm french and US TV is effing prudish lol.....

Francehas been the second consumer of jap animation for the past 20+ year and even their it's not a niche (i'm talking about jap anime in general not the extrem genre)..... it's entire generations who grew up around that.... it's part of the culture, it's like sesame street and transformers in USA or the magic school bus or I don't know what else in USA (didn't grew up here).... so if jap animation is not a niche in France I highly doubt that it's a niche in japan especially when they have at least 20 if not a 100 time more animes and title than us in france... I have also IM friends and a lot of online friends in japan plus a friend who did her studies entirely focusing on japanese culture.... and they all admit that animation is a big big big part of their culture like marvel and DC comic books are in USA for some generations....

and I don't see what's wrong with it.... they have an amazingely rich culture that depict in their manga and that allow the genre to be as wide as the cinema is in hollywood if not way more than that..... I would be proud of that...

 


Look, i'm gonna respond to this once more and i'm done with you. I just graduated from college with a double major in east asian studies/international business 2 days ago, i've been studying Japanese for 5 years, I lived in Japan for 1 year, I've had 2 Japanese girlfriends and one of them couldn't even speak English. I keep a diary in Japanese on mixi, I am going to Japan later this year to start a job. I don't care if you've been watching anime for 100 years, it doesn't tell you about the culture as a whole. The kind of anime that has violence and sex is a small niche. Anime itself is not entirely a niche in Japan because there are a few that are popular to everyone but those are kids (family) shows and light comedies. You can watch stuff like Doraemon or Crayon Shin-chan on TV every day, but you can't watch most of the anime you are probably watching. Some stuff like Princess Mononoke are huge, but most of the anime movies are nothing more than a niche.


 and that's exactly what I was saying from the begining you are just mis interpreting what i'm saying..... but you have to admit that some characters from jap annimation (I was mostly talking about series than stand alones) are widely known in their culture, like superman is in the US one or Tintin and smurf in france and belgium.... and no needs to brag with diploma degrees... they mean nothing anyway (not saying you don't know what your are talking about, but it doesn't make anybody better than someone else) I have a bachelor in addvertsising management a bachelor in integrated marketing communication, a minor in consumer behavior and consumer psychology and actualy in grad school for a MBA in international business... it doesn't make me smarter than someone else..... but I can tell you even if you spent 2000 year in japan and hooked up with all the girls over there......that a phenomenon like hello kitty is way more than just a niche and is a cultural phenomenon and that's just one exemple.... and in that case it's even spreading all over the world

I never tryed to say that a 45 years old is found of stupid pokemon and has pillow of  it or everybody is playing cosplay every weekend..... I'm just making an analogy that jap animation is a cultural trend in japan like comic books or family guy simspon or other stuff like that is in USA.... or asterix tintin and the smurf are in europe..... and you keep trying to make that look bad... it's not on the opposite it's what makes everybodies culture unique and interesting to study or have an interest in..... damn it would be boring if everybody in the world was the same way :) 



endimion said:
SlorgNet said:
Also, don't forget there are big, big differences in living styles which make the Japanese market very different from the US. Small homes and high energy prices mean big, power-hungry consoles are less of an impulse buy; great mass transit and high population density means that portable games and media are everywhere (people watch cellphone TV, play games on the subway). Last but not least, Japan's high-tech society puts a premium on training and education of all kinds, so training games are sort of built into the culture, in much the same way strategy games are built into German culture (true story, they love their strat games) or sports games are built into US culture.

I just wonder how many of those PS3s and Wiis are actually being bought to be resold to the rest of East Asia, i.e. whether Korean and Chinese demand might be picking up now.

 lol true... I use to live next to germany.... Blitz Kreig style lol :)....

I agree with you

hum oh and about the last paragraph I don't know but me I buy over Ebay games in NTSCus from taiwan based retailers.... lol it's that way I got a brand new copy of Forza 2 for 40 bucks+ the week of releases :)

so I guess some japs must do the same with the rest of the asian market.... if tawain is selling to USA lol 


What the F*** are you talking about??? Yeah right, we Germans all sit down and plan the strategy for the next attack on France. Maybe this time we go via Switzerland and Italy to make a surprise attack? We love our Blitzkrieg big time and still all think lovingly about the good old days when we were allowed to kill everyone we disliked and could sing all three parts of our national anthem.

Get this guy banned.



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