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megaman79 said:
BTFeather55 said:
megaman79 said:
Even in 2006 Wii Sports wasn't rated the best game by all sites. How can a game that constantly brings people back to it time and time again not be the best game of the year.

A game that sells in the top 5 in all regions for over 6 months should qualify, irrelevent of what peoples definition is of a game, and it shames me to think that it shouldn't just because its not what you define as a game. Thats kinda stupid, ignorant and thoughtless if u ask me.

 

That's the kind of thinking that leads uneducated people to think that because something is popular that means it is great which is very seldom the case in any artistic medium. Music -- you might think New Kids on the Block was some great band because their albums sold so well, but no Tom Waits was the best musician on earth back then, before then, and pretty much still to this day. You might think Twilight is a great vampire movie because it was so popular and was the number one movie in America a few week ago, and it might have been alright; but the best vampire movie released in 2008 is a little Swedish film called Let Light In which will proabably never be as popular as Twilight.

When judging artistic works only in very rare occassions can the case be made that the most popular works (The Lord of the Rings and The Dark Knight in most recent memory where movies are concerned) are also the best works.

Ok, b4 we start this, my fav. film is 2001 and kubrick, hitckcock and scorcese were robbed (the latter coz it took so long 2 get an oscar)

But what your saying is that 1 game that has generated so much interest and popularity and is certainly the most unique experience, doesn't deserve to be called the best of the year. Why not?

If you look at my other comments what i have suddenly come to terms with is that in reality Miyamoto has embarressed us all with his diverse and unique variation in videogames yet again this year. He started this with Wii Sports and, unlike hollywood and that predictable analogy of bad movies sell thing they always say, to me it seems Wii Fit is anything but.

Yes its different, yes its labelled as something that isn't a game. As i write this im smirking due to that classic misunderstood artistic genious label, not that he isn't appreciated, but that he isn't acknowledged the way he probably should be for going against the grain.

That is a true artist, that should be the game of the year. Irrelevent how much money it makes.

 

You mentioned Scorcese. You lose.

Let me guess, you're young. The directors you listed won one Oscar for special effects (right around the time the nomination was created), one other never won one and the latest won one for "just being there and not sucking".

The key to all of them? They never created a movie that appealed to the masses in a powerful way. Say it as you will but all of them catered to the "hardcore" demographic" you currently reside within and you appreciate them for it.

 




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Are we debating the meaning of "best movie" and "best game" here?



Khuutra said:
Are we debating the meaning of "best movie" and "best game" here?

The best ---- isn't that different once you think about it.

 




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Perhaps not, but there are so many criteria by which one can measure that.

You know, I have never seen Citizen Kane? It's true! I also only saw The Godfather about nine months ago.

I do not know where I am going with this. I think that, in December, we lack a certain amount of perspective on what is the "best" game. We need more time to digest and experience these games many times before we can pass our verdicts.



rocketpig said:
megaman79 said:
BTFeather55 said:
megaman79 said:
Even in 2006 Wii Sports wasn't rated the best game by all sites. How can a game that constantly brings people back to it time and time again not be the best game of the year.

A game that sells in the top 5 in all regions for over 6 months should qualify, irrelevent of what peoples definition is of a game, and it shames me to think that it shouldn't just because its not what you define as a game. Thats kinda stupid, ignorant and thoughtless if u ask me.

 

That's the kind of thinking that leads uneducated people to think that because something is popular that means it is great which is very seldom the case in any artistic medium. Music -- you might think New Kids on the Block was some great band because their albums sold so well, but no Tom Waits was the best musician on earth back then, before then, and pretty much still to this day. You might think Twilight is a great vampire movie because it was so popular and was the number one movie in America a few week ago, and it might have been alright; but the best vampire movie released in 2008 is a little Swedish film called Let Light In which will proabably never be as popular as Twilight.

When judging artistic works only in very rare occassions can the case be made that the most popular works (The Lord of the Rings and The Dark Knight in most recent memory where movies are concerned) are also the best works.

Ok, b4 we start this, my fav. film is 2001 and kubrick, hitckcock and scorcese were robbed (the latter coz it took so long 2 get an oscar)

But what your saying is that 1 game that has generated so much interest and popularity and is certainly the most unique experience, doesn't deserve to be called the best of the year. Why not?

If you look at my other comments what i have suddenly come to terms with is that in reality Miyamoto has embarressed us all with his diverse and unique variation in videogames yet again this year. He started this with Wii Sports and, unlike hollywood and that predictable analogy of bad movies sell thing they always say, to me it seems Wii Fit is anything but.

Yes its different, yes its labelled as something that isn't a game. As i write this im smirking due to that classic misunderstood artistic genious label, not that he isn't appreciated, but that he isn't acknowledged the way he probably should be for going against the grain.

That is a true artist, that should be the game of the year. Irrelevent how much money it makes.

 

You mentioned Scorcese. You lose.

Let me guess, you're young. The directors you listed won one Oscar for special effects (right around the time the nomination was created), one other never won one and the latest won one for "just being there and not sucking".

The key to all of them? They never created a movie that appealed to the masses in a powerful way. Say it as you will but all of them catered to the "hardcore" demographic" you currently reside within and you appreciate them for it.

 

     Anyone that thinks 2001 won an Oscar just for special effects needs to listen to the late William Cooper, author of Behold a Pale Horse, 's exegesis of the movie on his Hour of the Time:  Mystery Babylon broadcast.  Kubrick received another Oscar from me for having a youngish Nicole Kidman stand if front of the mirror in the criminally underppreciated Eyes Wide Shut.

 



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Khuutra said:
Perhaps not, but there are so many criteria by which one can measure that.

You know, I have never seen Citizen Kane? It's true! I also only saw The Godfather about nine months ago.

I do not know where I am going with this. I think that, in December, we lack a certain amount of perspective on what is the "best" game. We need more time to digest and experience these games many times before we can pass our verdicts.

See, that's just it. You get a year. Deal with it.

Make a choice. Make it smart. Given that option, what would you do?




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rocketpig said:
Khuutra said:
Perhaps not, but there are so many criteria by which one can measure that.

You know, I have never seen Citizen Kane? It's true! I also only saw The Godfather about nine months ago.

I do not know where I am going with this. I think that, in December, we lack a certain amount of perspective on what is the "best" game. We need more time to digest and experience these games many times before we can pass our verdicts.

See, that's just it. You get a year. Deal with it.

Make a choice. Make it smart. Given that option, what would you do?

Hold my award ceremony in February.



BTFeather55 said:
rocketpig said:
megaman79 said:
BTFeather55 said:
megaman79 said:
Even in 2006 Wii Sports wasn't rated the best game by all sites. How can a game that constantly brings people back to it time and time again not be the best game of the year.

A game that sells in the top 5 in all regions for over 6 months should qualify, irrelevent of what peoples definition is of a game, and it shames me to think that it shouldn't just because its not what you define as a game. Thats kinda stupid, ignorant and thoughtless if u ask me.

 

That's the kind of thinking that leads uneducated people to think that because something is popular that means it is great which is very seldom the case in any artistic medium. Music -- you might think New Kids on the Block was some great band because their albums sold so well, but no Tom Waits was the best musician on earth back then, before then, and pretty much still to this day. You might think Twilight is a great vampire movie because it was so popular and was the number one movie in America a few week ago, and it might have been alright; but the best vampire movie released in 2008 is a little Swedish film called Let Light In which will proabably never be as popular as Twilight.

When judging artistic works only in very rare occassions can the case be made that the most popular works (The Lord of the Rings and The Dark Knight in most recent memory where movies are concerned) are also the best works.

Ok, b4 we start this, my fav. film is 2001 and kubrick, hitckcock and scorcese were robbed (the latter coz it took so long 2 get an oscar)

But what your saying is that 1 game that has generated so much interest and popularity and is certainly the most unique experience, doesn't deserve to be called the best of the year. Why not?

If you look at my other comments what i have suddenly come to terms with is that in reality Miyamoto has embarressed us all with his diverse and unique variation in videogames yet again this year. He started this with Wii Sports and, unlike hollywood and that predictable analogy of bad movies sell thing they always say, to me it seems Wii Fit is anything but.

Yes its different, yes its labelled as something that isn't a game. As i write this im smirking due to that classic misunderstood artistic genious label, not that he isn't appreciated, but that he isn't acknowledged the way he probably should be for going against the grain.

That is a true artist, that should be the game of the year. Irrelevent how much money it makes.

 

You mentioned Scorcese. You lose.

Let me guess, you're young. The directors you listed won one Oscar for special effects (right around the time the nomination was created), one other never won one and the latest won one for "just being there and not sucking".

The key to all of them? They never created a movie that appealed to the masses in a powerful way. Say it as you will but all of them catered to the "hardcore" demographic" you currently reside within and you appreciate them for it.

 

     Anyone that thinks 2001 won an Oscar just for special effects needs to listen to William Cooper, author of Behold a Pale Horse, 's exegesis of the movie on his Hour of the Time broadcast.  He receive another Oscar from me for having a youngish Nicol Kidman stand if front of the mirror in the criminally underppreciated Eyes Wide Shut.

 

Yeah, the same reason Star Wars lost the best film but won best special effects in 1977.

Yawn.

STFU.

If you're going to argue a point, at least make sure you do one of two things:

1. Spell the actors' names correctly.

2. Create your sentences so they don't offend anyone with at least the slightest influence of English.

Yeah, I agree, but I don't. Eyes Wide Shut is criminally underappreciated, I'll give you that.

 




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Eyes Wide Shut one of the few films that deals with the Illuminati in a meaningful way. And no, Carrie Fisher is no Nicole Kidman in front of a full length mirror.



Heavens to Murgatoids.

I admit I lack the cinematic perspective to know what you two are arguing about, exactly.