tabsina said: You all do realise that the X360 was released almost 2 years ago, and the facts haven't changed since then? or am I missing something? I just don't understand why people are responding as if the 360 has yet to be released, or only recently released, thats how i read the responses anyways

It's because 2 years was plenty of time for MS to stop selling flawed hardware and release working systems.

bdbdbd said: wangfoo said: fazz said: In only five minutes since we started playing the game, the temperature of the heat sink on the graphics LSI rose to 70°C. The thermal gradient was about 10°C/min. In 15 minutes, the microprocessor heat sink temperature stabilized at 58°C, but the heat sink on the graphics LSI rose to 80°C, 57°C above the room temperature. Assuming room temperature of 35°C in mid-summer, the gap is estimated to reach more than 90°C. In that case, the temperature of chips in the graphics LSI could exceed 100°C. Jesus Christ... now, that just... sucks. I have yet to see any GPU on any of the computers I've had go over 90°C. Couple of things - the lowered airflow is partially due to the fact that the 360 uses 60mm fans, while most desktops use 80mm fans. The other half is also speed. Secondly, its not degrees Centigrade. Its just C. Thirdly, HOLY $%# The heatsink is that hot?!?!  100C is pretty much assured death for silicon. Fourthly, if you have components in your PCs reaching 90C, you really, really, really need to look into some new cooling solutions.   I thought that 360 had bigger fan than a normal desktop. But i'm propably wrong in that one. But, i would stick to that "secondly", you're right, it's not degrees centigrade, it's degrees Celsius. So using plain "C" is not correct. If you would be using Kelvins, then you should use plain "K".

I stand corrected. Though I don't understand how a base 10 measurement has any relation to a base 12 degree.

wangfoo said: I stand corrected. Though I don't understand how a base 10 measurement has any relation to a base 12 degree.

What ARE you talking about?

 

90°C is on the high end of video card temperatures, but it is actually normal for really powerful GPUs.  Silicon can survive 100°C if it isn't for prolonged periods, I think that's the temperature at which some old Pentiums would shut themselves down.

wangfoo said: bdbdbd said: wangfoo said: fazz said: In only five minutes since we started playing the game, the temperature of the heat sink on the graphics LSI rose to 70°C. The thermal gradient was about 10°C/min. In 15 minutes, the microprocessor heat sink temperature stabilized at 58°C, but the heat sink on the graphics LSI rose to 80°C, 57°C above the room temperature. Assuming room temperature of 35°C in mid-summer, the gap is estimated to reach more than 90°C. In that case, the temperature of chips in the graphics LSI could exceed 100°C. Jesus Christ... now, that just... sucks. I have yet to see any GPU on any of the computers I've had go over 90°C. Couple of things - the lowered airflow is partially due to the fact that the 360 uses 60mm fans, while most desktops use 80mm fans. The other half is also speed. Secondly, its not degrees Centigrade. Its just C. Thirdly, HOLY $%# The heatsink is that hot?!?!  100C is pretty much assured death for silicon. Fourthly, if you have components in your PCs reaching 90C, you really, really, really need to look into some new cooling solutions.   I thought that 360 had bigger fan than a normal desktop. But i'm propably wrong in that one. But, i would stick to that "secondly", you're right, it's not degrees centigrade, it's degrees Celsius. So using plain "C" is not correct. If you would be using Kelvins, then you should use plain "K". I stand corrected. Though I don't understand how a base 10 measurement has any relation to a base 12 degree.

This could be my english skill, but i'm not sure, that what did you mean. Celsius as 10 base and degrees as 12 base? It's not degrees as how you would define an angle. It's more like a step per degree (a way of thinking what is easier to explain), or like a degree of your education, master, bachelor etc. Btw. since centigrade is 10^-2 (?), shouldn't the letter indicating it be "c", not "C"?

Entroper said: wangfoo said: I stand corrected. Though I don't understand how a base 10 measurement has any relation to a base 12 degree. What ARE you talking about?   90°C is on the high end of video card temperatures, but it is actually normal for really powerful GPUs.  Silicon can survive 100°C if it isn't for prolonged periods, I think that's the temperature at which some old Pentiums would shut themselves down.

The issue is that 90 Celsius (sorry, my mobile phone doesn't have "degree" mark in it) is the gap between the temperature of it's evinronment. So, the article predicted, that when it's very hot and room temperature can climb up to 35 Celsius, that means the graphics LSI may reach temperature of 125 Celsius. And to compare with, they desinfect (did i spell it correctly) the hospital instruments in a steam with temperature of 120 Celsius.

????? OK we have K for Kelvin C for Celsius F for Fahrenheit ..... but what is C???

Celsius IS the same as Centigrade because both divide the scale in 100 degrees from water's freezing point to water's boiling point. So if it says C it must mean Celsius = Centigrade and you can make coffee with an xbox 360.

According to wikipedia Celcius and Centigrade mean the same thing.

No matter how you look at this, the damn thing is too hot. And someone should of noticed it before the console was even released.

@tabsina,

I think you get that impression because we are just now finding out how much of an issue this really is. We knew it overheated sure but we didn't know how quickly or to what temperature.

It would be like me telling you a big storm hit New Orleans in 2005. And then you later find out that the "storm" was one of the biggest hurricanes in recorded history with sustained winds over 175 mph (280 kmph) and damage estimated in the area of 82 billion dollars (aka Katrina).

Details give you an idea of how bad/good it really is and often the details can be more shocking than just the general news.

Damn, I didn't install Motherboard Monitor since I've reformatted my hard drive, but I know my PC doesn't get that hot and since the 360 is much smaller too. I think a good 'coffee' crack is required.

I was going to buy one, when GTA hit next year, but now I'm not so sure...

rasone77 said: I was going to buy one, when GTA hit next year, but now I'm not so sure...

 There is a good chance the problem will be fixed by then, but I would make sure I was getting one that is fixed before I hand over any cash.