Ok, in your first paragraph you talk about shovelware. In your second paragraph you state: "The Wii is no different. It caught developers off guard so of course the first few titles you will see are going to be shovelware. However, I submit to you that these games are no more crap than some generic shooter like Area 51 being made for the PS3 and 360.". I must have misunderstood your post because it looked to my like you were comparing shovelware to Area 51.

I've heard too much about DQS being disappointing. I'm trying to keep the list devoid of controversy, but keep the big anticipated titles on there, and yeah, we don't know enough about Chocobo's Dungeon. The list isn't there to create conflict, it's there to resolve it. So again, trying to keep games on there that most people on this forum would agree have some decent potential.

I am comparing quick cash-ins to Area 51. Why? Because it's no more reasonable to complain about the quick cash-in Wii games than it is to judge one of the 2,934 FPS games slated for release on the 360 and PS3 this year. We don't know, hence the line you bolded. These games should not be held to a different standard or judged in any different way than a random shooter on the 360. People are complaining simply because of the system it's on.

I am comparing quick cash-ins to Area 51. Why? Because it's no more reasonable to complain about the quick cash-in Wii games than it is to judge one of the 2,934 FPS games slated for release on the 360 and PS3 this year. We don't know, hence the line you bolded. These games should not be held to a different standard or judged in any different way than a random shooter on the 360. People are complaining simply because of the system it's on.

His opinion are based on reviews, both did not get great numbers with MP8 getting slamed by a few major review sources. So then you disagree with all the reviews those games got and not just the writer ?

_{"Now it doesn’t take a genius (or a hardcore gamer) to realize that the current offerings on Nintendo’s Wii have been stark awful, with the exception of Twilight Princess and Paper Mario. This is not to say that games like Project Sylpheed, Hour of Victory or Vampire Rain haven’t left bad tastes in the mouths of Xbox 360 or PC gamers. But this is to point out that surrounding the releases of both of Microsoft’s Vampire Rain and Project Sylpheed was Forza Motorsport 2 and the upcoming Halo 3. The latter are anything but bargain-bin bait. Even Midway’s Hour of Victory will be followed by the likes of Unreal Tournament III and John Woo Presents Stranglehold. "}

Ok. But do the good games really make up for it, other then the often mentioned Metriod Galaxy and SSBM and also Final FantasyCC there really is not all that much left on the wii of quality.

Ok first of all I don't think you even know what you are talking about, which is evidensed by your mention of "Metroid Galaxy" as one game, and then mentioning the already released smash brothers game.

Thats a really sad rebuttal, it really is.

so i forgot a , sue me.

Um no. A51 is a legit game, just becasue you hate FPS is not our fault. What do nintendo suporters have agianst FPS games, is it because your console does not have any great shooters you have to hate it.

A51 is in no way shape or form the same thing as those mediore quick cash ins on the wii.