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Legend11 said:
leo-j said:

I think the hardest part about the ps3 is the spe's to develop for. Also what does wanting a system have to do with killzone 2? Killzone 2 has realistc movement, unlike unreal tournament 3, or gears of war. Epic stated they needed to bring out the most out of the 360 to make the 360 game of gears of war, I seriously doubt the secound will look any better. We just have to wait and see what happens.

(Interview with Cliff Bleszinski about Gears of War)

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157032

EGM: Graphically speaking, is there room to improve?

CB: I think there's more that we could squeeze out of the 360. You get used to the limitations and potential that this console has, and then you can really start exploring. I guarantee that, in the future, the technology of what we do here will squeeze every bit of coolness out of [the 360]. If there's a follow-up, it'll definitely look better than the first.


Ok sorry I stand corrected.



 

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Smashchu said:
This is another case of a PS3 being hyped, but won't push consoles.

Too many people say "Oh, sales will pick up with X game. Then Sony will rule again". I feel many need a wake up call. None of those games are going to push console, expecially Killzone 2. The game is hyped, but that doesn't mean it will push consoles. The hype will make it sell to those who already own a PS3, or would have bought one any way. The only games so far that will push consoles are Wii Fit, Mario Galaxy, Halo 3 and GTA 4. The latter 3 usually all sell over 6million. FF is the only one who has sold over that, and that was on the PS1 and 2's high user base. These game's sales are more dependant on the console.

You continue to underestimate the ps3, you do know that ounce some game that looks better than anything on the 360 thus far(killzone2) is released on the ps3 those 360 owners are willing to pay for a ps3(this is how microsoft got into sony's ps2 owners, with gears of war an halo )



 

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endimion said:
hum i'm talking about the joystick position which are not position naturally on the PS3 and I don't know about the new pad but the old dual shock wasn't sensitive enough compare to the old or new XB pad... i had an adaptator for pads so i can play with my XB pad on PS2 at my friends house and they could play with there pad on my XB and I always had the edge on the accuracy and comfort (they were cramping up before me) on FPS on both console... and I'm not that good as I don't play like crasy like they do... the position of your hands on XB is more natural especially the 360 (for FPSs)

Bro are you serious? Well its your opinion and I respect that.



 

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Smashchu said:
This is another case of a PS3 being hyped, but won't push consoles.

Too many people say "Oh, sales will pick up with X game. Then Sony will rule again". I feel many need a wake up call. None of those games are going to push console, expecially Killzone 2. The game is hyped, but that doesn't mean it will push consoles. The hype will make it sell to those who already own a PS3, or would have bought one any way. The only games so far that will push consoles are Wii Fit, Mario Galaxy, Halo 3 and GTA 4. The latter 3 usually all sell over 6million. FF is the only one who has sold over that, and that was on the PS1 and 2's high user base. These game's sales are more dependant on the console.

So the only games that will sell consoles are sequels of big games or a casual game? Gears of War, brand new game that moved 360s and is still the biggest game on the 360.

FF will move systems guaranteed because it's FF. MGS and Killzone 2(if it doesn't disappoint) will move systems because these are big games.

 



Thanks to Blacksaber for the sig!

I asked this awhile ago, and got no real response. Yes, it's possible that KZ3 will simply have some tremendous polish and prove a great gaming experience, but that's not something that can really be demo'd in the brief bites we've gotten so far. There doesn't appear anything special about it, even the graphics (which, again, are fantastic, but what FPS doesn't look fantastic on a next gen system?). Think of games like Half Life or KOTOR, which, if all you had to judge were the preview snippets, really didn't offer much special. It wasn't until you actually played through them that you could appreciate what they were.

So, yeah, right now I say KZ2 is 40% graphics, 90% hype and wishful thinking.
This isn't to say that it won't be a great game when it comes out (or that it will be), but that without the pedigree of other titles (Halo3, Mass Effect, Mario Galaxy) or innovative gameplay ideas (Assassin's Creed, Little Big Planet), there is simply no justification for this much hype.



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leo-j said:
Smashchu said:
This is another case of a PS3 being hyped, but won't push consoles.

Too many people say "Oh, sales will pick up with X game. Then Sony will rule again". I feel many need a wake up call. None of those games are going to push console, expecially Killzone 2. The game is hyped, but that doesn't mean it will push consoles. The hype will make it sell to those who already own a PS3, or would have bought one any way. The only games so far that will push consoles are Wii Fit, Mario Galaxy, Halo 3 and GTA 4. The latter 3 usually all sell over 6million. FF is the only one who has sold over that, and that was on the PS1 and 2's high user base. These game's sales are more dependant on the console.

You continue to underestimate the ps3, you do know that ounce some game that looks better than anything on the 360 thus far(killzone2) is released on the ps3 those 360 owners are willing to pay for a ps3(this is how microsoft got into sony's ps2 owners, with gears of war an halo )


And whatabout all those PS2 fanboys? How many of them jumped to the XBox because it had better graphics?

The differences between the two systems is marginal, and very few gamers will be able to spot the minor technical enhancements of one over the other. Most of those who can are well informed tech heads who have already commited to one console or the other, or both.



starcraft said:
@CKMLB.  EXACTLY, you cant say that Killzone 2 will be better or worse than halo.  My point has been that of all the MAJOR PS3 titles, Killzone 2 is the least likely to meet the goal of being 'better' than halo 3. 

Not to state the obvious, but before making any comparisons shouldn't we make sure H3 is actually good?



More resources, more hype, better graphics.

All I can say is, Phantom Menace.



misterd said:
I asked this awhile ago, and got no real response. Yes, it's possible that KZ3 will simply have some tremendous polish and prove a great gaming experience, but that's not something that can really be demo'd in the brief bites we've gotten so far. There doesn't appear anything special about it, even the graphics (which, again, are fantastic, but what FPS doesn't look fantastic on a next gen system?). Think of games like Half Life or KOTOR, which, if all you had to judge were the preview snippets, really didn't offer much special. It wasn't until you actually played through them that you could appreciate what they were.

So, yeah, right now I say KZ2 is 40% graphics, 90% hype and wishful thinking.
This isn't to say that it won't be a great game when it comes out (or that it will be), but that without the pedigree of other titles (Halo3, Mass Effect, Mario Galaxy) or innovative gameplay ideas (Assassin's Creed, Little Big Planet), there is simply no justification for this much hype.

Have you ever seen a game were your enemies actually react to being hit by a strong bullet and actually bleed to death on the ground, and move so realisticly, at the same time huge thunderstorms and allies fighting against the helghask and get killed by lighting, with destructable environtments, and tremendous AI that actually think of a way to hide and even shoot with without looking at you while still hiding, and taking cover as well. Up to this point there has been not even one FPS that can do all that I have mentioned or even half of it. If it wasnt for the cell, none of this would be possible. Imagine that and it was a pre alpha demo. Nobody in 2004 or even 05 when 360 released would think that a system can offer that stellar gameplay and triverse action. And still people doubt that what they saw was even real.



 

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akuma587 said:
I'll tell you why it is amazing. Did you see the game? That is why it is amazing. No tricks, no nothing, did you see how it played at E3?

 I saw a gameplay vid on IGN.

 It almost put me to sleep.

 FPS is a genre that I've played to death. It takes something way more interesting than moderately improved graphics and animations to make me care about an FPS game. Battlefield 1942 did it with a wide range of weapon kits and vehicles, balancing combat between infanty and vehicles, non-linear map objectives, and a fun setting. Halo offered much the same thing on a different platform, adding in a fun single-player campaign and a more polished game than EA is capable of making. Half-life 2 had the physics engine which they loved to show off and the gravity gun gimmick which never got old.

 What does Killzone 2 have which is in any way unique? I've seen some people say story, but Bioshock looks like it has a far more interesting story and engaging atmosphere.



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