I appreciate the substantial debate Staude.

Yes - no doubt the price was a major factor in getting to this point. But the price had been decreasing for a while The 360 Core (which is essentially the Arcade) was released with a $300 price tag - already half the price of the PS3. The price was gradually decreased over time, with a price drop in spring 2008. Still, until september 2008 there was virtually no movement on the sales chart of the 360 in Europe.

Then, a few additonal dollars of a price reduction in mid-September and suddenly and all hell breaks lose in continental Europe. The 360 almost quadruple its sales.

If it was just an issue of price then I would have expected to see the same effect across all regions and then your theory would have had merit. But it is clear from the numbers that Europe had a completely disproportionate reaction to the price decrease, like nowhere else on earth. In NA the growth was small, in the UK it was "just" doubling. But in continental Europe we are observing a x3.84 of the prior years sale!

With such a disproportionate reaction it is clear that something else is playing a role. Some special Dynamic that existed only in continental Europe and nowhere else. The tale of the numbers and the known history strongly support the theory of a super-strong Sony brandname in Europe that for years was sufficient to efectively block the entry of the 360 to the region, but that with the last price-cut the 360 at last was able to break the Sony brand-name strunglehold on the region and at last established itself as a legitimate European gaming platfrom.

So the 360 price cut is the trigger. The chain of reaction it triggered  is irrevesible because from this point on, and for the first time in the region, the 360 will a valid and credible alternative to the Playstation.

I can see your points, however the major difference between us and europe (beside the economic crysis level) is the fact that the 360 is cheaper in europe (compaired to other things) i can get a playstation 2 for 1000 kr. I can get a 360 for about the same, maybe a little more.

Why would i get a ps2 ?

however the whole issue right now is that we can't really see what's going to happen yet because it's christmas. Things could look completely different in a matter of weeks simply because christmas is a horrible indicator for future sales .. i will say that it's got a good footing, which was your original point. But i don't think it's enough to change peoples view.

It's a doubtful thing though, but what i believe it is, is that people now see it for what they concider it worth. If you understand what i mean. The value perception has simply reached the price of which it can be evaluated as a purshase. Even one such as me who doesn't like microsoft as a company and their schemes might grab one, simply because the percieved value has reached a level where it matches the price point.

If some of this is gibberish it's because it's really late XD and i'm tired.

I guess to summerize my point is that people in europe still doesn't view it on equal footing as the ps3. But they do view it as something that's worth it's current low pricepoint.

sure! a price cut for the most expensive console wont help at all!

Excellent. I think we are largely in agreement. Yes, the Playstation brand is still strong. Brand names don't disappear in a couple of months because of a competitors price reduction.

But... and this is a big BUT. The ability of the Playstation brand to virtually block the the 360 entry into the European market had been lost. From now on the 360 will be evaluate along side the PS3 in buying decisions. Yes, the Playstation brand will be part of the buying consideration, but it is not going to be overwhelmingly so anymore.

I have a hunch - you didn't read the OP.

I second this.

It is kind of amazing how cocky people can get around here. They feel they can share their wisdom on every topic, without even reading the first line of the OP.

SolidSnake08 - I promise to read your posts before I post a reply to them. Can you do the same for me? I don't think it is too much to ask.

Stupid me. He will not read this one as well.

A price cut helped the 360 in Japan. /thread

a Sony price cut can, and will, put them ahead of microsoft.

PS3 has already passed 360 in most of mainland europe such as spain, italy, germany, france, etc. The only places left really are UK, Scandanavia and Australia and PS3 will lead in all others.

Puh-lease.

Typical Chartz.

Didn't we say the same thing about Microsoft's price cut a few months ago? And look where it is now.

This is a first though, pre-damage control for a rumor.

That means people must be scared.

That means this price cut is a game changer.

Shit just got REAL!