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I think people need to learn to differentiate between good games and big games.

From an entire sales point of view, with GTA out the picture there are only 3 games with the proven sales power confirmed to be before Christmas - Halo, Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros.

Games like Drakes, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Project Gothem Racing 4 etc will sell consoles, sure, but so will games like My Sims, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles and Soul Calibur Legends. I mean look at the sales of Mario Party 8, it's almost at 1.5 million now, and that game was released in the summer. It just shows that quality isn't the biggest factor in selling a game.

The way I see it is, with the 'second tier' games being about even for the consoles, the Wii has the most proven seller, the biggest momentum and the lowest price point come Xmas 2007, there is absolutely nothing stopping it (except maybe the DS!).



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jammy2211 said:
I think people need to learn to differentiate between good games and big games.

From an entire sales point of view, with GTA out the picture there are only 3 games with the proven sales power confirmed to be before Christmas - Halo, Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros.

Games like Drakes, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Project Gothem Racing 4 etc will sell consoles, sure, but so will games like My Sims, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles and Soul Calibur Legends. I mean look at the sales of Mario Party 8, it's almost at 1.5 million now, and that game was released in the summer. It just shows that quality isn't the biggest factor in selling a game.

The way I see it is, with the 'second tier' games being about even for the consoles, the Wii has the most proven seller, the biggest momentum and the lowest price point come Xmas 2007, there is absolutely nothing stopping it (except maybe the DS!).

So your saying MP8 doesn't have good quality?



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libellule said:
"""""""""Goddbless said:
Both IGN and GS reported that Haze and UT3 are delayed until next year. I think Haze releases in February and UT3 is TBA. So I guess that leaves Lair, Heavenly Sword, and Rachet & Clank. """""""""""""""""

Could you provide a link, I can't seem to find it on either website.

==> Yes a link will help a LOT

And Halo3 is not a big system seller,
Halo3 is an Xbox targeted game, most of the people wanting Halo3 are Xbox360 owners ...

Nothing on PS3 side ???
I see 2 games perfectly targeted for the console market :

- heavenly sword : aventure/action/beat them all game.
Can it does what DMC has did on the PS2 ?????????????????????????????

- Ratchet : "pixar" game, it will sell a lot just because of the visual.

- GT5 prologue (in japan at least) : car modelisation alone will sell the game.

OVERALL, it is a good news for the Wii.
but remember she still lake Assassin Creed/Call of duty 4 or PES2008 ...
but, whatever, WiiSport is THE system seller (...)
Even with no games released, the Wii will sell better than the PS3/Xbox360 this Xmas ...

You know... there is some irony in the fact that the PS3 was supposed to sell 5 million without any games but couldn't.  Yet the Wii according to many PS3 fans has sold over 10 Mil with no games. 

If the wii really had no games the PS3 would of sold far better, as the Wii does nothing but play games.  I'm not sure how anyone can look at the Nintedo lineup from a sales perspective and say it's a bad lineup.  A lineup you may not be interested in sure.  But these are games that would of sold a lot on the Gamecube let alone the Wii.



We are also forgetting Assasins Creed that should appear in november for both the PS3 and the 360 .

Look Carlitos ,the PS3 has for this fall games like

Call of Duty 4
Quake Wars
Uncharted
Unreal 3
Haze
Assasins Creed
Eye of Judgement
Folklore
Ratchet and Clank
Socom Confrontation
Rock Band
Guitar Hero III
Army of Two
Mercenaries 2
Medal of Honor Airborne
Singstar Lives
Blacksite Area 51
Timeshift
Little Big Planet
Stranglehold
NBA2k8
NHL 2K8
Pro Evolution Soccer 08 (that will sell millions of PS3 in Europe over the months )

And thats without counting the games that will arrive some time before as Lair ,Heavenly Sword ,Warhawk ,Colin Mc Rae Dirt or Madden 08 ...

Maybe you think that Mario Galaxy ,Mario Smash Bros and Mario and Sonic are a better lineup that the cited above ,but that only shows you are a fanboy Carlitos .

Both the 360 and the PS3 lineups are far more brilliant than the Wii one .Wii doesnt need to much to sell ,its low price and some casual things as Wii Sports are enough to sell the thing ,but from there to pretending convincing anyone that the Wii effectively has a better lineup is a leap of faith only someone crazed (literally ) by Mario can do .



six letters LGC TGS... until then nothing is certain especialy for PS3/360 war... and the past 3 weeks are insignificant on the run until december.... even if it's not just a bump... the jump for both console is going to be way bigger in 4th quarter... which is going to have the biggest one... nobody knows at all... because all the nnounce are yet to come... price cut on both side??? stuff like that.. which could play a hell of difference for one or the other....



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Diomedes1976 said:
We are also forgetting Assasins Creed that should appear in november for both the PS3 and the 360 .

Look Carlitos ,the PS3 has for this fall games like

Call of Duty 4
Quake Wars
Uncharted
Unreal 3
Haze
Assasins Creed
Eye of Judgement
Folklore
Ratchet and Clank
Socom Confrontation
Rock Band
Guitar Hero III
Army of Two
Mercenaries 2
Medal of Honor Airborne
Singstar Lives
Blacksite Area 51
Timeshift
Little Big Planet
Stranglehold
NBA2k8
NHL 2K8
Pro Evolution Soccer 08 (that will sell millions of PS3 in Europe over the months )

And thats without counting the games that will arrive some time before as Lair ,Heavenly Sword ,Warhawk ,Colin Mc Rae Dirt or Madden 08 ...

Maybe you think that Mario Galaxy ,Mario Smash Bros and Mario and Sonic are a better lineup that the cited above ,but that only shows you are a fanboy Carlitos .

Both the 360 and the PS3 lineups are far more brilliant than the Wii one .Wii doesnt need to much to sell ,its low price and some casual things as Wii Sports are enough to sell the thing ,but from there to pretending convincing anyone that the Wii effectively has a better lineup is a leap of faith only someone crazed (literally ) by Mario can do .

 So your way to argue against facts is listing multiplatform games and calling me a "fanboy". I guess this is why the ps3 is being promoted as a movie player that also happens to play games in some regions.

 



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"Wii are legion, for Wii are many"

This war is not over yet, it all depends how each company plan out their strategy.
even though MS and SONY lost one major system seller this fall, imagine if MS or Sony able to drop the price to a better point, it can boost units sale considerably. IF ms drop $100 on their premium package, that can pretty much seal the deal for everyone on this holiday season.
who would choose Wii($250) over premium xbox360($300) price point???
as for Sony, I dont know if they are able to drop the price of ps3 again in this short amount of time.
We'll have to see how many system Halo 3 able to sell at current price point, then we can make conclusion its the lack of AAA game thats holding back buyers or its the Price point that is scaring buyer away. If Halo Fails to sell a decent amount of systems then we can conclude Price is the biggest factor.



Diomedes1976 said:
We are also forgetting Assasins Creed that should appear in november for both the PS3 and the 360 .

Look Carlitos ,the PS3 has for this fall games like

Call of Duty 4
Quake Wars
Uncharted
Unreal 3
Haze
Assasins Creed
Eye of Judgement
Folklore
Ratchet and Clank
Socom Confrontation
Rock Band
Guitar Hero III
Army of Two
Mercenaries 2
Medal of Honor Airborne
Singstar Lives
Blacksite Area 51
Timeshift
Little Big Planet
Stranglehold
NBA2k8
NHL 2K8
Pro Evolution Soccer 08 (that will sell millions of PS3 in Europe over the months )

And thats without counting the games that will arrive some time before as Lair ,Heavenly Sword ,Warhawk ,Colin Mc Rae Dirt or Madden 08 ...

Maybe you think that Mario Galaxy ,Mario Smash Bros and Mario and Sonic are a better lineup that the cited above ,but that only shows you are a fanboy Carlitos .

Both the 360 and the PS3 lineups are far more brilliant than the Wii one .Wii doesnt need to much to sell ,its low price and some casual things as Wii Sports are enough to sell the thing ,but from there to pretending convincing anyone that the Wii effectively has a better lineup is a leap of faith only someone crazed (literally ) by Mario can do .

Uh, there's a lot more than just SSBB, SMG, and Sonic and Mario.



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oh and I don't see how the difference of line up quality stated before that announcement can be changed with a game suppose to come out on both console.... so if 360 was considered better by a majority before it should still be... does it make sens to you ???



That's not true... PS3 is outselling Xbox360 by less than 10k units.

Check this weeks charts, or last weeks charts for that matter.