Ah, how easy it is to dismiss another point of view. Only straight people say that its a choice. The gay people that say its a choice aren't actually gay, they're straight people in disguise.

Are you gay? I didn't think so. I am and can tell you that at no point in my life did I ever choose to be gay. Most people wouldn't choose that because there are so many hateful bigots like yourself who try to make life difficult for us.

The most prominent of these groups claiming to cure homosexuals had its founder (a male) leave the group and denounce it only to be with a male volunteer. You are who you are.

Of course, I love my boyfriend and never hesitate to show affection but its most fulfilling in public where our mere presence will make the blood of people like you boil.

@ Grey Acumen
So its your straight, homophobic, bible basher point of view, that it is a choice.
Please forgive my misgivings at the validity of your argument.

Just one source out of hundreds on the internet:

"University researchers have shown for the first time that strong sexual orientation among men appears to be connected with brain metabolism. The results of their study are reported in a paper that was presented Wednesday, Nov. 12, at the annual Society for Neuroscience conference in New Orleans.

In the paper, the researchers report finding differences between exclusively homosexual and exclusively heterosexual males in glucose metabolism in the hypothalamus and other brain areas following the administration of fluoxetine, the generic equivalent of the drug Prozac......cont."


And if anyone quotes a bible scripture as "evidence" to the contrary, you are just too far gone to reason with.

I find it funny how quick gay people tend to throw around terms like homophobe and bible basher, as if I've even mentioned god at all, and haven't expressly pointed out that I don't really care if that's what you want. My blood and the blood of "people like me" will hardly boil if we see two guys kiss.
Yep, "people like me" must be such bigots. It sure is terrible how we make sweeping uninformed opinions about individuals based on what views we have of their group. You guys are just so much better than us, and your opinions must be far more valid than ours too.

But anyway, if it's connected to brain metabolism, then does that mean it's treatable? From what you just quoted me there, homosexual tendencies are being compared to a mental disorder. They treat people with depression, why not homosexuality? I mean think about it, Damkira just said; "Most people wouldn't choose that because there are so many hateful bigots like yourself who try to make life difficult for us" well there we go! We just need to do a little more research on the subject, and then soon it WILL be your choice!

So what will the argument be for homosexuality then?

Ughh, TLDR. But at least people on internet forums actually do have pretty sound ideas on what we should do about gay marriage.

I personally like the idea to get rid of the tax benefits for marriage altogether. Fuck everybody. Although part of the rationale is to encourage people to breed, but I have to say we have enough people on this planet as it is.

And glad to see a lot of people know that marriage did not come from religion. I don't understand why so many people perpetuate this myth.

@Grey Acumen. Well it doesn't appear to be treatable as so far all the treatments have turned out to be shams.

In any case why would you treat it? What is the point of stopping something which is entirely natural and causes no actual harm. It'd remind me of the treatments they used to do to reduce sexuality in young girls - going entirely against nature.

Isn't depression, or ADHD, or autism, or bipolarity entirely natural? Most of those are the result of biological and neuro-chemical differences that occur from genetics after all. They still get treatment, because those conditions are hampering their ability to interact with other people and lead a happy life.

From what you say, homosexuality is a genetic predisposition and from everything I've heard it makes it harder for them to socialize and interact with the rest of society and find happiness. So why shouldn't they have the option? After all, if a gay person actually WANTS to be straight, but can't, why can't we give him or her REAL help in doing that?

Your logic is ridiculously flawed. Homosexuality isn't causing them problems. It's not stopping them from interacting with other people or from leading a happy life the same way any of those actual mental disorders would. You know what is causing them problems? Hate from other people. They'd get along just fine if it wasn't for that. Maybe we should be treating prejudice instead.

Is being in the minority getting you down? Tired of being persecuted by the majority? Conform with gene therapy!

Make those gay babies straight! Make those black babies white! There won't be prejudice when everyone's the same!

Trust me, you'll be happier when you're everyone else. And everyone else will be happier with you.

Deny their true thoughts? So a person with depression feels dishonest with their thoughts? They can't control how they feel after all, or how their mind works, the treatments they have are designed to help them regain that control. I hardly see how autism hurts people, they just don't socialize well, but there are treatments and research to try to help with that. Mind you, I'm referring to the less intense examples that don't actually lead to depression or the inability to care for themselves, but they still have treatment for those people too.

So why not homosexuality? What makes this part of their nature somehow their "true thoughts" such that denying it would be dishonest? We have drugs for impotence too. Them not having sex doesn't harm anyone, but we have treatments for that. Or are you going to claim that NOT having sex harms people? Are they denying their true nature by taking viagra or whatever the latest brand is?

I still having nothing against homosexuals, I just don't feel its an acceptable activity. I even specify that I have no issues even with a relationship between two men or two women, that's hardly unacceptable at all, the only part I don't accept is the idea that those relationships need to include sex somehow. I've listed out my reasons why I feel that way about a page or two ago. Yet people are claiming MY logic is flawed, so I assume they have some examples that actually make sense here. I've yet to see them.