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noname2200 on 23 November 2008
Kenny said:
Pristine20 said:
Kenny said:

In all honesty, it's far too early to determine the overall sales distributions between consoles.  The Wii has demonstrated that games on it tend to be spread out further over time, while PS360 games enjoy much more front loading.  It's very probable that the PS360 versions will have more sales in the end, but the extent of that can't be drawn on first week sales data alone.  We can agree, though, that if a person had a Wii and a PS3 or 360, and wanted WaW, they would pick the PS360 version over the Wii, simply because the Wii version is inferior.

I'd also argue that the devout FPS fanbase hasn't migrated to the Wii in large numbers yet, simply because they've had little incentive too. Once you've played a good Wii FPS it's hard to go back to dual analogues, but before now there were only two good FPS games on the Wii, and one of them was more of an adventure game than a shooter. In the meantime, the HD consoles have been drowning in the genre. If you're a devotee, why would you wait two-plus years for good FPS games to arrive? I'd rather just buy an HD console (or gaming PC) and be done with it. And having settled down, it'll take more than just a cross-platform title that I can already play to entice me to pick up the Wii version.

 



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Pristine20 on 23 November 2008
noname2200 said:
Pristine20 said:
bdbdbd said:

 

I haven't played any wii games so i don't know if the 3rd party devs mess up the motion controls or not but what I do know is this: our generation of 3rd party devs don'tknow what to do with the wii. It's painfully obvious. They want to make games for it but don't know how to approach. Hence, the cheap shovelware. They just ignored the GC and N64 but they aren't really ignoring the wii. EA  tries to specialize with titles like bloom blox sees pretty good success then turns around to see Activision's COD4 doing 6.6 mil on x360 which is a fomula they're more familiar with.

I think the honest truth is that the wii itself is an innovation and requires innovative titles as such to sell well (apart from nintendocore titles which nintendo fans always buy like SSBB, Mario, Zelda etc). Most devs are just used to franchising like the rest of the world. Wii development thus becomes much more costly/risky because that goes hand in hand with innovation whereas devs can continue reiterating (franchising) old successes on ps360 and keep succeeding. You can call devs lazy but just remember that 99% of the world repeats success formulas instead of creating new ones.

Teasing about Halo aside, I can definitely see where you're coming from here. I liken the Wii to the DS: the early going was rough because no one knew what to make of the damned thing, but once things settled down and third-parties started getting the hang of things titles, traditional and innovative, started to arrive in sizeable numbers. I'm guessing it'll be a similar story with the Wii, although the difference won't be as dramatic, since Western developers seem to prefer consoles and high-tech, much more so than their Japanese counterparts (who are historically more comfortable with handhelds).

 

You're probably right but the difference here is that the DS is MILES ahead of PSP to yet the wii is not yet ahead of the PS360 which are ususally lumped together due to offering the same exact experience. The DS is much different from the psp like the wii is to the ps360 but in this case, the ps360 has the higher userbase still whereas the DS has more than double the psp's userbase with less piracy.

In conclusion, I think more 3rd parties would support the wii but due to western devs favoring power (especiallly PC devs), the wii is unlikely to ever get equal support. It would get it's best 3rd party support only from japan.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 23 November 2008
mike_intellivision said:
What is really interesting is that when a Wii multiplatform shines, it gets ignored.

Cast in point, the Wii version of Shaun White snowboarding has gotten higher review scores. But several days ago, X-play reviewed the HD version, then went into a skit about "Wii games we'd love to see -- Balance Board Edition." They have so far completely ignored this game.


Mike from Morgantown

This is because most people who watch programs like x-play prefer their gaming on HD consoles. Programs like these just appease their viewers.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Khuutra on 23 November 2008

It would be funny if, in the same year in which it was predicted that GTAIV would kill the Wii, we saw the release of a game that ended up killing the HD consoles.

I blame Wii Fit.



noname2200 on 23 November 2008
Pristine20 said:
noname2200 said:
Pristine20 said:
bdbdbd said:

You're probably right but the difference here is that the DS is MILES ahead of PSP to yet the wii is not yet ahead of the PS360 which are ususally lumped together due to offering the same exact experience. The DS is much different from the psp like the wii is to the ps360 but in this case, the ps360 has the higher userbase still whereas the DS has more than double the psp's userbase with less piracy.

In conclusion, I think more 3rd parties would support the wii but due to western devs favoring power (especiallly PC devs), the wii is unlikely to ever get equal support. It would get it's best 3rd party support only from japan.

I can see that. I still think lots of Western developers will do more stuff for the Wii later on than they're doing now, but it won't be as dramatic.

 



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11ht11 on 23 November 2008
Pristine20 said:
mike_intellivision said:
What is really interesting is that when a Wii multiplatform shines, it gets ignored.

Cast in point, the Wii version of Shaun White snowboarding has gotten higher review scores. But several days ago, X-play reviewed the HD version, then went into a skit about "Wii games we'd love to see -- Balance Board Edition." They have so far completely ignored this game.


Mike from Morgantown

This is because most people who watch programs like x-play prefer their gaming on HD consoles. Programs like these just appease their viewers.

 

where are the statistics for this?

 



Pristine20 on 23 November 2008
noname2200 said:
Pristine20 said:
noname2200 said:
Pristine20 said:
noname2200 said:
Pristine20 said:
noname2200 said:
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vdoesntforgive said:
Pristine20 said:

I don't know why you wii owners always pick on Halo.

Someone's obviously never played Halo...

I've played both halo 2 and 3 so I don't know what you are talking about.

To quote Khuutra, you are a liar. Anyone's who's played Halo knows you can't tell if Master Chief is bald, and that you can't see if he's sweating or not.

You know, you don't have to play halo to know that right?... Also, I only bothered to play the multiplayer portion of both halo 2 and 3 with friends so I won't know if master chief is bald or not (if he /she took off his/her helmet sometime during the campaign)

So you admit to making claims that you don't actually know are true or not, and that you haven't done even the most cursory of research before making your claim.

I take it back. You're not just a liar. You're also a bulls***er.

 

Now you're getting out of hand. Where have I ever said that master chief was bald or that you can see his face? Someone else mentioned halo in an arguement and I said that most hd unenthusiasts tend to pick on halo to justify their dislike of hd game trends.  Yet you chose to pick the most useless portion of my post and take it on a ridiculous tangent, now you're insulting my personality. I have yet to get banned from this website because I like to keep things civil but everyman has a breaking point.

Stop with the nonsense!!!

Hmm. The joke's getting old, but your inability to get the joke makes this fun too...Do I keep going? Hell yes!

No one brought up Halo until you did, pardner. And you're admitting that you don't know what you're talking about regarding the very point you brought up. And now you're getting defensive because someone's callin' you out. Shall I add yellow-belly to the list of charges?

Every video game site I've ever heard someone mention "bald space marines" was a shot at halo. Although I don't particularly fancy the series, I stepped up to defend it and now I'm criticized for it. Like I said, namecalling isn't civil, we're just annonymous internet posters and such things aren't necessary. Add whatever you like to whatever you want to charge, it's up to you.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

vdoesntforgive on 23 November 2008
Pristine20 said:

 

The majority of games are sold by word of mouth. Cod4 is the perfect example of this. I never saw an advert for it on Tv. I knew I wanted it from videos on GT. Unfortunately, the new gamers the wii has brought into gaming are not the type that go to internet gaming websites to talk about games so they probably don't even know or care. These are not the type that know release dates, they walk to the store when they want a new experience and ask the store clerk for recommendation. Thus, the long legs of wii games. Also, many wii owners who are also fans of this genre also have a gaming PC or PS360, hence, the wii sales are dried up which I understand. However, this is also a justification for 3rd parties not to bring FPS games to wii.

As for other best selling ps360 titles like assassins creed, I really don't see how they could benefit from the wii's motion controls so it would boil down to graphics and power again (for things like # of people on screen) which would ultimately lead to the PS360 versions selling way more copies.

 

No it's not. It's justification for them to not expect gangbuster sales from downports.

 

Again, I'll get back to my original post, we just want some good games for the console. Not down ports, not up ports, not cheap lazy partyen gaems with toddlers on the case. Just some good, polished, quality games for the market that has been heavily neglected on the console. It's not asking for much.

 

But guess what? It won't happen any time soon, or atleast until they're near bankruptcy. As long as these third parties have people like you constantly defending their bullshit, it won't happen.



 

Khuutra on 23 November 2008

More likely they're referring to the Space Marine from Doom or Shepherd from Mass Effect. Master Chief is a space marine and his head is probably shaved, but no one's ever seen him. Probably never will.



Pristine20 on 23 November 2008
11ht11 said:
Pristine20 said:
mike_intellivision said:
What is really interesting is that when a Wii multiplatform shines, it gets ignored.

Cast in point, the Wii version of Shaun White snowboarding has gotten higher review scores. But several days ago, X-play reviewed the HD version, then went into a skit about "Wii games we'd love to see -- Balance Board Edition." They have so far completely ignored this game.


Mike from Morgantown

This is because most people who watch programs like x-play prefer their gaming on HD consoles. Programs like these just appease their viewers.

 

where are the statistics for this?

 

There are none, it's just my experience that casuals which comprise the majority of the wii audience don't pay much attention to video game media.  Surely if x-play had so many wii-only  gamers, they would have at least complained on G4's website. There are things you can extrapolate without statistics. i would say the ps3 is the most popular consoles abong vgc users. Would you argue with that?

 

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler