FFXII was really different from other JRPGs, ironically.
Also much better, in general, but that's an argument for another day.
| epinefridis said: I don't know guys, I'm neither a JRPG fan, nor a hater. But let's be honest. Let's take LO as an example. Is it considered a top notch JRPG? From what I've heard and read, yes. Most likely. And Mass Effect is considered to be a top WRPG. Well, I tried LO. I'll be straight here. Despite its really good features, and despite features that have to do with tastes (tb battle system etc), it has SO many flaws that are almost laughable. Technical issues, dialogues without end and without meaning and a story that... er... isn't exactly a narrative masterpiece, though it is considered to be from the fans of the genre. But it isn't. What I personally see here (in the narrative and story evolving part) is that a whole generation of gamers, grown up with JRPGs and FF like narration and story building, have serious issues of separating a really good story from a piece of junk. I bet the VAST majority of these gamers haven't read a single literary novel except those that are forced to in school Don't get me wrong, it's just my point of view. So, when this mediocrity gets repetitive, even the older fans of the genre get bored from it. Look at the FFXI and FFXII reviews. I don't recall a single positive sentence in major reviews (excluding the FF praise thing which was expected) Not a single phrase for some new and refreshing features, of something new and audacious. Once again, I'm not a fan of the genre, so, I might be wrong here. Just my thoughts... |
Last I checked, Mass Effect suffered a malady of issues as well - Frame Rate issues, Screen Tearing, Weak Side Quests, ect. Lost Odyssey isn't perfect either - But there's a pretty massive chasm that separates LO reviews from Mass Effect. And critically, ME isn't the cream of the crop - Oblivion is..If you go by reviews.
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
mrstickball said:
Compared to what? I think, of those 25 JRPGs I listed (I have a list of about 50 from this generation ranging from 56% to 88%) many of them deserved higher scores - especially the bulk of those in the 70-80%. I don't know if any JRPGs thus far should of earned a solid 90% average. But from the ones I've played - Tales of Vesperia comes very well close to what would be a very solid, polished, great experience of an RPG. Reviewers agreed that it was the best of the series, and a very good game. Yet slashed points so severely, it doesn't even match up with half of the Tales series! For example, the following PS2 RPGs are higher rated than ANY next-gen console RPG:
And the cutoff is there due to VC - take VC out, and there's another 5-8 RPGs before ToV shows up on the list. And that's 1 system.
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Compared to the WRPG's, duh.
I mean, you made the comparison in your OP, I thought it'd be obvious :P
The problem is, JRPG's this gen just haven't been that great. You can expect KH3, FFXIII and Versus, DQIX, Star Ocean 4, Persona 4 and White Knight Chronicles to get plenty of critical success.
mrstickball said:
Compared to what? I think, of those 25 JRPGs I listed (I have a list of about 50 from this generation ranging from 56% to 88%) many of them deserved higher scores - especially the bulk of those in the 70-80%. I don't know if any JRPGs thus far should of earned a solid 90% average. But from the ones I've played - Tales of Vesperia comes very well close to what would be a very solid, polished, great experience of an RPG. Reviewers agreed that it was the best of the series, and a very good game. Yet slashed points so severely, it doesn't even match up with half of the Tales series! For example, the following PS2 RPGs are higher rated than ANY next-gen console RPG:
And the cutoff is there due to VC - take VC out, and there's another 5-8 RPGs before ToV shows up on the list. And that's 1 system.
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Final Fantasy XIII and Versus XIII will easily get 90%+ and Star Ocean The Last Hope has a chance at 90%+ too. Now before I say that I am crazy for think Star Ocean will get 90%+ average, I am going to explain myself. Read the previews for the game so far, nothing but praise from those previews. And yes, I am still talking about Star Ocean.
@epinefridis
LO's story is no literary masterpeice. It has some flaws(very slow pacing for the first half, uninteresting villian, cutscenes seems a little too long at times). However, LO's story is still pretty good IMO considering those flaws.
--OkeyDokey-- said:
Compared to the WRPG's, duh. |
Fixed: Added "Star Ocean The Last Hope"
Its because as time goes by the western reviewers are starting to figure out what the difference between a rpg and a narrative combat train are. They are still enjoying jrpgs, but a bunch of wrgpgs give a better rpg vibe.
Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.
Riachu said:
Fixed: Added "Star Ocean The Last Hope"
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Thats what Star Ocean 4 is, Raichu
GOTY Contestants this year: Dead Space 2, Dark Souls, Tales of Graces f. Everything else can suck it.
Shadowblind said:
Thats what Star Ocean 4 is, Raichu
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Didn't notice that. Sorry.
JRPGs appeal to the Japanese just as FPS appeal to gun-loving Americans.
| mrstickball said:
For example, the following PS2 RPGs are higher rated than ANY next-gen console RPG:
And the cutoff is there due to VC - take VC out, and there's another 5-8 RPGs before ToV shows up on the list. And that's 1 system.
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Final Fantasy X-2 scored higher than every JRPG released this gen? something is seriously wrong here, i also cant believe that game has 86% avarage at gamerankings.
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