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Deneidez on 19 November 2008
Sardauk said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Sardauk said:
Jo21 said:
numbers never lie. ps3 its the most power console this generation.

Can you give us those numbers ?

2 tflops vs. 1 tflop.

No, not all of that difference shows up in games.

Tflops what ? GPU, CPU, I/O ? Where does that came from ?

I did read an article saying that the PS3 was good had doing some floating calculation that were totally irelevant for gaming but that is all.

Sources ? Proofs ? Benchmarks ? Anything ?

I think they came from this one,

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Wii-Xbox-PS3,news-1468.html

Yes, there are no GPU:s in that list anymore, because of sonys brainwash attempt. (Which apparently has been effective for some brainless fanboys. :) )

"We have received numerous emails and comments voicing doubt over the floating point capability of the RSX GPU in the PS3. While original specs put the GPU at an official 1.8 TFLOPS spec, this number in fact appears to be inflated. At this time, we have no reliable information stating the true floating point performance of the GPU. Some claims put the GPU in the range of the GeForce 7600 chip, which has been rated at 192 GFLOPS."

Heres the original picture,

(Note that GPUs on PC are just breaking the 1000 GFLOPS limit. Uh, ok they didn't came from that one as X360 is clearly less than 1TFLOPS. Anyway...)



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Kantor on 19 November 2008
selnor said:
mai said:
This gen it was the PS3 which had the most powerfull system but so far...

Meh, just stop reading at this point, tired of fanboys.

Yep stopped reading here to. There is no proof of this. Dont speal off Cell figures either. It's the entire system as a whole that eminates the final production. And if you believe the statement you made, then why is the 360 having no trouble keeping with it, and currently (of games that are available to buy) have the most impressive technical and visual game?

Anyways as Zucas article pointed out and history as well, Power and graphics does not equal success. The quality of the games do.

 

Please enlighten me. What 360 game has better graphics than MGS4, Uncharted and GT5 Prologue? Don't say Gears of War 2. Please don't say Gears of War 2.

Look at any PS3 exclusive. Most of them look incredible. However, (how many times have I said this?) more people own 360s, Microsoft pays for this sort of thing, multiplats are optimised for 360. 360 games do not look bad, by any stretch of the imagination. But you really cannot truthfully say that the 360 can have better graphics than the PS3.

The PS3 hardware is undoubtedly better, as well.

First, the processor. You cannot deny that the Cell is better than the PowerPC. It's seven processors in one. Killzone 2 uses FIVE of those. Imagine what a game using all seven could look like

The RAM. 360 has 10MB more. Wow.

GPU: PS3 is 50MHz faster.

360 has Infrared. PS3 has Bluetooth.

And, of course,

360 has DVD, PS3 has Blu-ray.

I'm not saying the PS3 is better than the 360. But the hardware is better.

 



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Deneidez on 19 November 2008
Kantor said:

First, the processor. You cannot deny that the Cell is better than the PowerPC. It's seven processors in one. Killzone 2 uses FIVE of those. Imagine what a game using all seven could look like

The same, because of bottlenecks of other hardware. However I can show you game that won't run on CELL. It looks like this,

(And this wasn't a joke. I am pretty sure that CELL would choke and die if you would try to run it on CELL. Anyway that game requires 512MB. So you really cannot run it on PS3. :P)



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puffy on 19 November 2008

Yeah I'd say Playstation 3 hardware is better.. Not only can it push graphics that I would say surpass what the 360 can do, but it can do it with reliability..

I don't think more than 5% of consumers care though.. They see them both as HD and that's it..

It also doesn't have any effect on the successors so what does it matter in this thread?



 

Sardauk on 19 November 2008
Deneidez said:
Sardauk said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Sardauk said:
Jo21 said:
numbers never lie. ps3 its the most power console this generation.

Can you give us those numbers ?

2 tflops vs. 1 tflop.

No, not all of that difference shows up in games.

Tflops what ? GPU, CPU, I/O ? Where does that came from ?

I did read an article saying that the PS3 was good had doing some floating calculation that were totally irelevant for gaming but that is all.

Sources ? Proofs ? Benchmarks ? Anything ?

I think they came from this one,

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Wii-Xbox-PS3,news-1468.html

Yes, there are no GPU:s in that list anymore, because of sonys brainwash attempt. (Which apparently has been effective for some brainless fanboys. :) )

"We have received numerous emails and comments voicing doubt over the floating point capability of the RSX GPU in the PS3. While original specs put the GPU at an official 1.8 TFLOPS spec, this number in fact appears to be inflated. At this time, we have no reliable information stating the true floating point performance of the GPU. Some claims put the GPU in the range of the GeForce 7600 chip, which has been rated at 192 GFLOPS."

Heres the original picture,

(Note that GPUs on PC are just breaking the 1000 GFLOPS limit. Uh, ok they didn't came from that one as X360 is clearly less than 1TFLOPS. Anyway...)

 

Only Floating Point Operations ? Is that the relevant criteria to be declared the most powerfull plateform ???

 



 

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Staude on 19 November 2008
Sardauk said:
Deneidez said:
Sardauk said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Sardauk said:
Jo21 said:
numbers never lie. ps3 its the most power console this generation.

Can you give us those numbers ?

2 tflops vs. 1 tflop.

No, not all of that difference shows up in games.

Tflops what ? GPU, CPU, I/O ? Where does that came from ?

I did read an article saying that the PS3 was good had doing some floating calculation that were totally irelevant for gaming but that is all.

Sources ? Proofs ? Benchmarks ? Anything ?

I think they came from this one,

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Wii-Xbox-PS3,news-1468.html

Yes, there are no GPU:s in that list anymore, because of sonys brainwash attempt. (Which apparently has been effective for some brainless fanboys. :) )

"We have received numerous emails and comments voicing doubt over the floating point capability of the RSX GPU in the PS3. While original specs put the GPU at an official 1.8 TFLOPS spec, this number in fact appears to be inflated. At this time, we have no reliable information stating the true floating point performance of the GPU. Some claims put the GPU in the range of the GeForce 7600 chip, which has been rated at 192 GFLOPS."

Heres the original picture,

(Note that GPUs on PC are just breaking the 1000 GFLOPS limit. Uh, ok they didn't came from that one as X360 is clearly less than 1TFLOPS. Anyway...)

 

Only Floating Point Operations ? Is that the relevant criteria to be declared the most powerfull plateform ???

 

yes

 



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mai on 19 November 2008

Modern PC for price around $600 easily outperforms PS3\X360, so what's the point of this thread?



Sardauk on 19 November 2008
mai said:
Modern PC for price around $600 easily outperforms PS3X360, so what's the point of this thread?

 

Same question, but this is a pro-ps3 propaganda thread with biased information again... nevermind.

The original question was about the most powerfull next-gen console ... which is a nonsense.

 

What I have learned is that Sony "Flops" better (...).



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

selnor on 19 November 2008
Kantor said:
selnor said:
mai said:
This gen it was the PS3 which had the most powerfull system but so far...

Meh, just stop reading at this point, tired of fanboys.

Yep stopped reading here to. There is no proof of this. Dont speal off Cell figures either. It's the entire system as a whole that eminates the final production. And if you believe the statement you made, then why is the 360 having no trouble keeping with it, and currently (of games that are available to buy) have the most impressive technical and visual game?

Anyways as Zucas article pointed out and history as well, Power and graphics does not equal success. The quality of the games do.

 

Please enlighten me. What 360 game has better graphics than MGS4, Uncharted and GT5 Prologue? Don't say Gears of War 2. Please don't say Gears of War 2.

Look at any PS3 exclusive. Most of them look incredible. However, (how many times have I said this?) more people own 360s, Microsoft pays for this sort of thing, multiplats are optimised for 360. 360 games do not look bad, by any stretch of the imagination. But you really cannot truthfully say that the 360 can have better graphics than the PS3.

The PS3 hardware is undoubtedly better, as well.

First, the processor. You cannot deny that the Cell is better than the PowerPC. It's seven processors in one. Killzone 2 uses FIVE of those. Imagine what a game using all seven could look like

The RAM. 360 has 10MB more. Wow.

GPU: PS3 is 50MHz faster.

360 has Infrared. PS3 has Bluetooth.

And, of course,

360 has DVD, PS3 has Blu-ray.

I'm not saying the PS3 is better than the 360. But the hardware is better.

 

Yes Gears 2. I'm sorry to burst your bubble and all, but almost all the reviewers of Gears 2 think the same. Together with the actual people I know who own a PS3 only also were gobsmacked by Gears 2. See I dont get sucked in to the whole Forum bias graphical stuff.

Before Gears 2 I firmly believed and posted that both Uncharted and MGS4 were better than Gears 1, ME and Bioshock. So I'm not and idiot who blindly states shit (although my predictions sometimes are very optimistic, LOL).

In fact to quote for instance IGN review " Gears of War is the closet thing to Hollywood production values" Shock hey. Bu, bu what about MGS4? Another quote from the same review "Gears of War 2 takes HD visuals into a new Realm".

Dont get sucked in by the hype of a machine, or because you may have spent £400 on a console, when one that cost £200 can do the same stuff.

 EDIT: Just re read your post. Do you know anything about hardware?

Ram is fairly even in size but the size isnt all to how ram works efficiently. Also yes the GPU on PS3 is 50mhz faster. But if you know anything about GPU's (pipelines, resources, shader versions etc) it is widely known the 360 GPU is better. And then there is the full system bandwidth. I'll let you try and work that out. I know the answers and how they work. As I said I'm not sucked in by a company who sate something. I have built enough gaming PC's to know what to look for.



selnor on 19 November 2008
Staude said:
Sardauk said:
Deneidez said:
Sardauk said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Sardauk said:
Jo21 said:
numbers never lie. ps3 its the most power console this generation.

Can you give us those numbers ?

2 tflops vs. 1 tflop.

No, not all of that difference shows up in games.

Tflops what ? GPU, CPU, I/O ? Where does that came from ?

I did read an article saying that the PS3 was good had doing some floating calculation that were totally irelevant for gaming but that is all.

Sources ? Proofs ? Benchmarks ? Anything ?

I think they came from this one,

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Wii-Xbox-PS3,news-1468.html

Yes, there are no GPU:s in that list anymore, because of sonys brainwash attempt. (Which apparently has been effective for some brainless fanboys. :) )

"We have received numerous emails and comments voicing doubt over the floating point capability of the RSX GPU in the PS3. While original specs put the GPU at an official 1.8 TFLOPS spec, this number in fact appears to be inflated. At this time, we have no reliable information stating the true floating point performance of the GPU. Some claims put the GPU in the range of the GeForce 7600 chip, which has been rated at 192 GFLOPS."

Heres the original picture,

(Note that GPUs on PC are just breaking the 1000 GFLOPS limit. Uh, ok they didn't came from that one as X360 is clearly less than 1TFLOPS. Anyway...)

 

Only Floating Point Operations ? Is that the relevant criteria to be declared the most powerfull plateform ???

 

yes

 

How absolutely pathetic is this. FPW represents even in GT5P about 20% of the work the rest is general purpose processing. Why would even a PS3 fanboy post a chart for floating point work only? Major LOL. Crysis for instance is almost entirely General purpose processing. Floating point work is mainly used for streaming and video. Media stuff. So MGS4 is great for this as the majority of the game/movie is not controlled.