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FJ-Warez said:

Let me try :

"The company's first game was called Gnop! (Pong spelled backwards)
Following Gnop!, produced Operation Desert Storm, which went on to sell 2,500 copies, and the role-playing game Minotaur: The Labyrinths of Crete in 1992.
Next began working on their first 3D game, Pathways into Darkness, which was released in 1993.
The next project began as a loose sequel to Pathways into Darkness, but evolved into a futuristic first person shooter called Marathon."

 

Not everybody starts with a Half-Life

 

Its not the point even if the game is good or not, the point is will it live to its hype? With amazing games that will come out in 2009 with the Wii I think the Conduit will left out of the dust...



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

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yushire said:
@bladeneo and Xen----> I think you're right and maybe I could eat crow but we just admit that the 360 rules the hardcore gaming world and the Wii rules the rest. Im planning to buy a 360 not now, maybe in few months or next year Im not sure, because there are more games on it than the PS3. OK, sure LBP and K2 will be phenomenal but it'll not help SONY and PS3 either. I mean the PS3 userbase was shrinking this NPD sales proves it, I think wait for this.... wont help anymore. Sooner or later even SONY fans will switch to 360 because the PS3 userbase was too small for third parties to cater to it anymore...

1. Almost every HD game is released on both 360 and PS3 right now, one that isn't is because there are exclusivity contracts, or architecture issues, much like Valve is having... it's necessary to be profitable.

2. Shrinking? $400 vs $200 and $300 during an economical crisis, that's all I can tell you.

3. Wait for this, wait for that, has come. 2009 is a year for titanic PS3 releases, and you'll see the results well.

4. 360 and PS3 have pretty equal software sales when you take userbase into proportion. Also, some people prefer buying on 360 because of XBL, sometimes DLC, sometimes better version. Both consoles are very similar.

5. Talk about too small to cater for anymore. At least the PS3 doesn't get mainly shovelware or gimped vrsions.

 



BrainBoxLtd said:
yushire said:
BrainBoxLtd said:

This notion that a developer like HVS is incapable of making a good original game, based on their long backlog of various ultra-low budgeted license titles they’ve done to make ends meet for a variety of publishers and original projects they’ve co-developed (America’s Army is also made by Red Storm Entertainment) is absurd.

This is allegedly this team’s very first truly independent major project, and they have funded and worked on this entirely themselves without a publisher specifically to avoid any outside company influencing their game until it near completion. That doesn’t mean it will be a success, but to claim it’s a failure based on what HVS’s people have actually called their “bread and butter” is ridiculous.

If you look at De Blob’s developer, Blue Tongue, you’ll see they’ve made almost mostly average to poorly received license games, many of which involve Nicktoon characters. Yet De Blob itself, their latest game, was very well received and outshined games like Lost Planet on Metacritic. (A very high budget, highly marketed game from a very reputable publisher and developer) And in likelihood, will also be more fondly remembered as well.

 

The point isnt if the game is good or not, the point is... did it sale or not? Did it live to its hype? Are Wii owners suddenly turned into core gamers and play core quality games on the Wii? This is HVS wants to accomplished and I think they'll never succeed. HVS can do is hope for the best and make the Conduit atleast sell a million but I think it'll be not Gears of War either.

Have they ever actually said anything like that? I honestly haven't been following any recent news with the Conduit, but their earlier interviews suggested they were simply filling a void in the market that no one else was putting any serious effort into. If they do expect their one game to completely breakdown hardened stereotypes of the Wii and change entire sales trends, that’s utterly insane. Just as insane as thinking those who think Little Big Planet will break the PS3’s stereotype as the high end cinematic console, or this NXE nonsense breaking the 360’s stereotype as male-testosterone driven shooter console.

I was only arguing past endeavors don’t necessarily dictate future ones. I’m personally not all that concerned with what other people buy, so all that would matter to me is if the game is good or not.

 

 

The bolded part was the problem, some third parties already make efforts on the Wii, COD: World at War was the HUGE EXAMPLE of it, the COD 4 engine says it all. But Wii core owners didnt appreciate it and just wait for the Conduit. The real problem HVS is facing right now, Wii core owners knew The Conduit will be the be all big game on the Wii right now they have patience to wait even there are good games comes along. If not, why theres huge hype around The Conduit more than Madworld and Sonic and the Black Knight?



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

yushire said:
@bladeneo and Xen----> I think you're right and maybe I could eat crow but we just admit that the 360 rules the hardcore gaming world and the Wii rules the rest. Im planning to buy a 360 not now, maybe in few months or next year Im not sure, because there are more games on it than the PS3. OK, sure LBP and K2 will be phenomenal but it'll not help SONY and PS3 either. I mean the PS3 userbase was shrinking this NPD sales proves it, I think wait for this.... wont help anymore. Sooner or later even SONY fans will switch to 360 because the PS3 userbase was too small for third parties to cater to it anymore...

 

The ps3 has outsold the 360 by 1.5 million consoles this year, with the 360 consistently being at a smaller price point. The ps3 this october had software sales 200% higher than last october according to NPD, how can it be shrinking! Are more people returning their ps3's than buying them? I highly fucking doubt it.

I've tried to be rational and you basically ignored everything that was said. Shut up. You have no idea what youre talking about.



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Xen said:
yushire said:
@bladeneo and Xen----> I think you're right and maybe I could eat crow but we just admit that the 360 rules the hardcore gaming world and the Wii rules the rest. Im planning to buy a 360 not now, maybe in few months or next year Im not sure, because there are more games on it than the PS3. OK, sure LBP and K2 will be phenomenal but it'll not help SONY and PS3 either. I mean the PS3 userbase was shrinking this NPD sales proves it, I think wait for this.... wont help anymore. Sooner or later even SONY fans will switch to 360 because the PS3 userbase was too small for third parties to cater to it anymore...

1. Almost every HD game is released on both 360 and PS3 right now, one that isn't is because there are exclusivity contracts, or architecture issues, much like Valve is having... it's necessary to be profitable.

2. Shrinking? $400 vs $200 and $300 during an economical crisis, that's all I can tell you.

3. Wait for this, wait for that, has come. 2009 is a year for titanic PS3 releases, and you'll see the results well.

4. 360 and PS3 have pretty equal software sales when you take userbase into proportion. Also, some people prefer buying on 360 because of XBL, sometimes DLC, sometimes better version. Both consoles are very similar.

5. Talk about too small to cater for anymore. At least the PS3 doesn't get mainly shovelware or gimped vrsions.

 

 

Lets see about that in 2009, but to tell you honestly, there are more Wii games I want to buy in 2009 than the 360 and PS3. Like Marvelous, Namco Bandai and SEGA exclusive games for the Wii. Not to mention Tenchu IV, the only reason why I plan on buying xbox 360 right now anyway was because of RE5, Prince of Persia and GTA IV.



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

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yushire said:
Xen said:
yushire said:
@bladeneo and Xen----> I think you're right and maybe I could eat crow but we just admit that the 360 rules the hardcore gaming world and the Wii rules the rest. Im planning to buy a 360 not now, maybe in few months or next year Im not sure, because there are more games on it than the PS3. OK, sure LBP and K2 will be phenomenal but it'll not help SONY and PS3 either. I mean the PS3 userbase was shrinking this NPD sales proves it, I think wait for this.... wont help anymore. Sooner or later even SONY fans will switch to 360 because the PS3 userbase was too small for third parties to cater to it anymore...

1. Almost every HD game is released on both 360 and PS3 right now, one that isn't is because there are exclusivity contracts, or architecture issues, much like Valve is having... it's necessary to be profitable.

2. Shrinking? $400 vs $200 and $300 during an economical crisis, that's all I can tell you.

3. Wait for this, wait for that, has come. 2009 is a year for titanic PS3 releases, and you'll see the results well.

4. 360 and PS3 have pretty equal software sales when you take userbase into proportion. Also, some people prefer buying on 360 because of XBL, sometimes DLC, sometimes better version. Both consoles are very similar.

5. Talk about too small to cater for anymore. At least the PS3 doesn't get mainly shovelware or gimped vrsions.

 

 

Lets see about that in 2009, but to tell you honestly, there are more Wii games I want to buy in 2009 than the 360 and PS3. Like Marvelous, Namco Bandai and SEGA exclusive games for the Wii. Not to mention Tenchu IV, the only reason why I plan on buying xbox 360 right now anyway was because of RE5, Prince of Persia and GTA IV.

Wait wait, earlier you said you were going to buy a 360 over a ps3 due to it having more games, yet the only games you'll buy a 360 for are available on the ps3 as well? Someone's contradicting themselves.

 



Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega. - Jason Lee, Mallrats.

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Bladeneo said:
yushire said:
@bladeneo and Xen----> I think you're right and maybe I could eat crow but we just admit that the 360 rules the hardcore gaming world and the Wii rules the rest. Im planning to buy a 360 not now, maybe in few months or next year Im not sure, because there are more games on it than the PS3. OK, sure LBP and K2 will be phenomenal but it'll not help SONY and PS3 either. I mean the PS3 userbase was shrinking this NPD sales proves it, I think wait for this.... wont help anymore. Sooner or later even SONY fans will switch to 360 because the PS3 userbase was too small for third parties to cater to it anymore...

 

The ps3 has outsold the 360 by 1.5 million consoles this year, with the 360 consistently being at a smaller price point. The ps3 this october had software sales 200% higher than last october according to NPD, how can it be shrinking! Are more people returning their ps3's than buying them? I highly fucking doubt it.

I've tried to be rational and you basically ignored everything that was said. Shut up. You have no idea what youre talking about.

 

Dont tell me about the percent and stats and what not, we're not economists here, just discuss the physical count whats the real amounts of sales. Fable 2 just beat LBP in sales in the month of October and the 360 beats the Ps3 2 to 1. Thats what we're discussing here.



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

yushire said:
Bladeneo said:

 

The ps3 has outsold the 360 by 1.5 million consoles this year, with the 360 consistently being at a smaller price point. The ps3 this october had software sales 200% higher than last october according to NPD, how can it be shrinking! Are more people returning their ps3's than buying them? I highly fucking doubt it.

I've tried to be rational and you basically ignored everything that was said. Shut up. You have no idea what youre talking about.

 

Dont tell me about the percent and stats and what not, we're not economists here, just discuss the physical count whats the real amounts of sales. Fable 2 just beat LBP in sales in the month of October and the 360 beats the Ps3 2 to 1. Thats what we're discussing here.

either use stats or don't




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Bladeneo said:
yushire said:
Xen said:
yushire said:
@bladeneo and Xen----> I think you're right and maybe I could eat crow but we just admit that the 360 rules the hardcore gaming world and the Wii rules the rest. Im planning to buy a 360 not now, maybe in few months or next year Im not sure, because there are more games on it than the PS3. OK, sure LBP and K2 will be phenomenal but it'll not help SONY and PS3 either. I mean the PS3 userbase was shrinking this NPD sales proves it, I think wait for this.... wont help anymore. Sooner or later even SONY fans will switch to 360 because the PS3 userbase was too small for third parties to cater to it anymore...

1. Almost every HD game is released on both 360 and PS3 right now, one that isn't is because there are exclusivity contracts, or architecture issues, much like Valve is having... it's necessary to be profitable.

2. Shrinking? $400 vs $200 and $300 during an economical crisis, that's all I can tell you.

3. Wait for this, wait for that, has come. 2009 is a year for titanic PS3 releases, and you'll see the results well.

4. 360 and PS3 have pretty equal software sales when you take userbase into proportion. Also, some people prefer buying on 360 because of XBL, sometimes DLC, sometimes better version. Both consoles are very similar.

5. Talk about too small to cater for anymore. At least the PS3 doesn't get mainly shovelware or gimped vrsions.

 

 

Lets see about that in 2009, but to tell you honestly, there are more Wii games I want to buy in 2009 than the 360 and PS3. Like Marvelous, Namco Bandai and SEGA exclusive games for the Wii. Not to mention Tenchu IV, the only reason why I plan on buying xbox 360 right now anyway was because of RE5, Prince of Persia and GTA IV.

Wait wait, earlier you said you were going to buy a 360 over a ps3 due to it having more games, yet the only games you'll buy a 360 for are available on the ps3 as well? Someone's contradicting themselves.

 

 

There are more games on the 360 thats why I prefer the 360, but the reason why I will buy a HD consoles at all are these three games. Since the 360 is cheap and have more games than the PS3 I will buy the 360. So no contradiction on what I'd say...



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg