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Final-Fan on 12 November 2008
Kasz216 said:

Your suggesting that someone else in the government just accepted a bunch of japanese people in the middle of WW2 without even notifying the president?

That's something that had to come across his desk.

That's like saying that the president wouldn't know we were selling weapons to "freedom fighter" groups.

Keep in mind we oursselves deported plenty of US citizens, and people who weren't aloud to be US citizens because of racist laws against asians to japan.

I mean that link itself shows FDR's racism towards asian americans.

I figured it might have been handled by the State Department without the President knowing the full circumstances.  But seriously man, the attempted deportation of these people happened a year after Roosevelt DIED!  How do you pin that on him?



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Kasz216 on 12 November 2008
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:

Your suggesting that someone else in the government just accepted a bunch of japanese people in the middle of WW2 without even notifying the president?

That's something that had to come across his desk.

That's like saying that the president wouldn't know we were selling weapons to "freedom fighter" groups.

Keep in mind we oursselves deported plenty of US citizens, and people who weren't aloud to be US citizens because of racist laws against asians to japan.

I mean that link itself shows FDR's racism towards asian americans.

I figured it might have been handled by the State Department without the President knowing the full circumstances.  But seriously man, the attempted deportation of these people happened a year after Roosevelt DIED!  How do you pin that on him?

Didn't know tha was when he died.  So i guess he's free of that one.

Still the man clearly was a racist, which can be shown by racist acts and comments before his presidency which i'll dig up later.

Aside from which, he thought the bill of rights should be rescinded during wartime.

At some point, no amount of good can make up for an evil act that violates people so throughly.

Based on various comments about asian americans and even jews (despite his administrations help of them)  I gotta think a lot of it had to do with his wife's influence on him.

A good book on it though is "By Order of the President"



Final-Fan on 12 November 2008

"Aside from which, he thought the bill of rights should be rescinded during wartime."

If you can dig up THAT, then I guess I really won't have a leg to stand on.



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Kasz216 on 12 November 2008
Final-Fan said:
"Aside from which, he thought the bill of rights should be rescinded during wartime."

If you can dig up THAT, then I guess I really won't have a leg to stand on.

 

I read it in an biography piece on Elenaor Roosevelt a while back.  I'll try and dig it up.

Though I mean... Japanese Internment did rescind the Bill of Rights for Japanese people... he also rescinded freedom of the press... banning a socialist and anti-war matieral...

http://www.amazon.com/Order-President-Internment-Japanese-Americans/dp/067401118X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226530722&sr=1-1

has an indepth account of how much was Roosevelts decision... and some one the racism as well I believe.

I just find it frightening people are willing to excuse something so fundamentally wrong?

I mean would nobody care about Guantanamo if Bush was a good president in all other regards?

When do you draw the line of what can't be erased by good deeds?



ikilledkenny on 12 November 2008

My top 5:
1. Franklin Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. James Polk
Most Underrated: Harry Truman
Most Overrated: Ronald Reagan


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ManusJustus on 12 November 2008
Kasz216 said:

At the same time the commision was useful, Japanese people were locked up, as well as people that "seemed" japanese and could not take part of it.

Which is worse than enslaving blacks or destroying Native Americans?



Kasz216 on 12 November 2008
ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

At the same time the commision was useful, Japanese people were locked up, as well as people that "seemed" japanese and could not take part of it.

Which is worse than enslaving blacks or destroying Native Americans?

Show me the president considered great who made slavery laws that made slavery harder to repeal.

Show me the president considered great who forced free black men back into slavery by laws they've passed.

As for the indians Andrew Jackson was also a dick and I would protest even more if someone suggested he was one of the greatest presidents ever.

 

Do you or do you not agree that Japanese internment was a GIANT step backwords in race relations and Civil Liberties... instigated by FDR?

You can't argue "racism of the time" when he actually made things worse.

Japanese internment was the worst crime in american history committed by a president since the abolition of slavery up until Guantanamo Bay.

Calling someone a racist name because everyone else does it.  That's racism of the time.  Being the first guy to club that person over the head is not.  That's you delibritly making things worse.



Final-Fan on 12 November 2008
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
"Aside from which, he thought the bill of rights should be rescinded during wartime."

If you can dig up THAT, then I guess I really won't have a leg to stand on.
I read it in an biography piece on Elenaor Roosevelt a while back.  I'll try and dig it up.

Though I mean... Japanese Internment did rescind the Bill of Rights for Japanese people... he also rescinded freedom of the press... banning a socialist and anti-war matieral...

This book has an indepth account of how much was Roosevelts decision... and some one the racism as well I believe.

I just find it frightening people are willing to excuse something so fundamentally wrong?

I mean would nobody care about Guantanamo if Bush was a good president in all other regards?

When do you draw the line of what can't be erased by good deeds?

I thought you meant like the way Lincoln suspended habeas corpus.  The internment violated the civil rights of a group of people; you were saying he favored suspending civil rights.  That's different.  With XO9066 I'm sure he thought he was acting within the Constitution.  (Which does NOT excuse his actions, and I certainly hope you're not suggesting I have been making excuses for them.) 

As for censorship, I found a good article (book summary).  Sounds to me like he was a model of restraint compared to Wilson; he did however (apparently) abuse the system to hide his poor health and affair.



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Final-Fan on 12 November 2008
Kasz216 said:

Do you or do you not agree that Japanese internment was a GIANT step backwords in race relations and Civil Liberties... instigated by FDR?

You can't argue "racism of the time" when he actually made things worse.

Japanese internment was the worst crime in american history committed by a president since the abolition of slavery up until Guantanamo Bay.

Calling someone a racist name because everyone else does it.  That's racism of the time.  Being the first guy to club that person over the head is not.  That's you delibritly making things worse.

Worse than what?  You're aware of California laws in the early 1900s? 

And in terms of crime, can I count Wilson pushing the Espionage and Sedition Acts of 1917 and 1918 through Congress?



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Commando on 13 November 2008

Thanks for Chiming in mr.stickball and Jackson50.



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