Was your first sentence a statement or question?  There, will you cease your ? 

I honestly can't remember why I hated you so much when you first started posting here (just remembered you annoyed the piss out of me about something) but damn you quickly became one of my favorite posters.

Um...I'm not even sure how to respond to this, lol.  So comps can play cheap, and you think it's unfair?  Or am I missing something...

And then there's the multiplayer, which involves almost no AI at all.

Nah man, my points isn't "list reasons why I don't like RTS."

My point was that we still don't have the ideal control setup for such a game.

In most games, turnbased, or action, we can perform the actions we want as quickly as we can think them. Either that, or the game is artificially slowed down to accomplish this(turn based).

RTS on the other hand is a large map that doesn't completely fit on the screen. Scrolling, selecting, targeting, all of these things are hinderances brought to us by the need to use a controller, but they arent' the focus of the game(like in a shooter). Instead they are a necessary evil of the control scheme.

If we had "good" controls, for the game, we would be able to control our armies as fast as thought(which is how fast any CPU controls games). Point and click.

Thus, we don't actually have any "good" RTS controls created yet, in our lifetime. We only have "fair" controls, and "sucky" controls.

A solution that some games have experimented with are creating small, or "mini" maps, that we can control and select multiple armies with and dispatch, recall, target, or resupply them directly by maniuplating their paths on the map, rather than in the game.

Unfortunately, this innovation in control of the RTS, ruins the game. Instead of looking at the game, you're looking at a map which is a representation of the game. So, nobody allows full control via minimap on their RTS. They know if they did, the gamer would only use the mini-map, and the game would be lambasted for it. Afterall, a game like that could be done on the SNES.

Until we develop a control style that is as quick, or nearly as quick as our minds can deduce courses of action for our armies, we'll never have "good" controls for a RTS.

I think it'll be close. It depends upon how much microsoft want to push halo wars really. If they decide to do a media blitz halo wars will easily outsell killzone 2. If not then its going to be a closely fought battle.

Dude.. it might be a partially killed franchise but command & conquer is/was the biggest RTS franchise ever. I highly doubt all those halo fps players will rush out to buy a rts game.

Okay, I am going to reply before reading any other replies, because I know I'll be sidetracked.

I think KZ2 will get better reviews because, like you said, RTS does not work on consoles and KZ2 is ZOMWTFPWNAGE etc. 

HOWEVER, Halo Wars has the word 'Halo' in it, so it will sell better even if, on IGN, Killzone 2 gets a 9.5 (unlikely) and Halo Wars gets a 6.8 (It won't)

Halo is probably the second strongest brand name in gaming, behind (Super) Mario, probably followed by Grand Theft Auto, then Gran Turismo. Killzone is nowhere near. And KZ2 doesn't have much advertising (that I know of)

slap !.... halo isn't anywhere near as big a franchise as gta.. not dissing halo but casual people don't even know what halo is while they know what you mean if you talk about gta or grand theft auto. Not to sidetrack. Same with Gran Turismo btw.

Civ Rev was a turn based strategy. There's a lot more thought required and less action time. Consoles are not bult to handle RTS, because you can't move fast enough. In a turn-based strategy, however, you have all the time you need. THAT is why Civ Rev did well.

And I don't believe Killzone 2 was in the Holy Trinity. Of course, now that FF13 is gone, God of War III can take its place. Thus, we have a NEW trinity. All bow down.

So, what would the 360's Holy Trinity be, then?

1) Halo 3

2) Gears of War

3) Fable II

And, of course, Halo Wars is in the same series, albeit from a different developer and in a different genre.

Bioshock would have been in the holy trinity, but it is no longer exclusive. Judging from reviews and the sentiments of my fellow gamers, I would put Mass Effect above Fable II.