whqatever c0rd you can just call what I say bullshit.

Is bullshit too strong? I used it because that's what TWRoO called it, lol...

Anyway, I guess my point is, no console has sold like the PS3 has at its price point, so it doesn't make much sense to apply old rules to it. Otherwise, we can stick the Wii in there and claim it's not at mass market price, which is obviously BS.

you called me bullshit, twroo called patcher bullshit, so yes there is a difference.

secondly, nothing has sold like the wii either at the wii's price point.

You continue to look at things from the perspective of the expensive consoles, where I'm just pointing out how successful the ~200$ consoles have been.

The SLIGHT difference, which is the one you are picking up on with the ps3's price is a moot issue, because of both the price of the wii and the 360. This IS different from the others but the main issue, which is not even touched by your argument, is that higher value consoles dominate.

Yeah, like console like fans. Sony tactic has been "Imagine... because that will be all you get." for a while already. When PS3 will be $200-250 there will be new consoles on market and they might even cost that much and X360 might be cheaper than bread also, because that price isn't going to happen soon for PS3. Well, you can always imagine just like you have done already all the time.

Since you're proly one of the most credible posters here i'll counter argue you then leave.

1. You have to take into consideration the price point of the console and consumer desire for it , right now the PS3 is able to perform well at a high price point therefore there is desire for the PS3 beyond the people that are actualy able to afford it , PS3 sales will almost definetley increase with a price cut if one were to occur now , I can't say whether this will be the case in Xmas 09 or '10 but it's definetley the case now.

2.Not neccaserily maybe most of the time, but when a console is priced incredibly cheap (XBOX 360 and possibly the Wii) or a console is priced incredibly high the customer requires more of an incentive to make the purchase  , price point is indeed a significant factor . The PS3 isn't easily affordable by the average person wheras the XBOX 360 is up to 2X easier to afford. To reject that price point wasn't a significant (and even determining factor) in console sales would be foolish , let's see how much the Wii would sell at $600 a piece or the XBOX 360 at $1200 .When price point becomes too high or too low it does become a determining factor.

3.Agreed but like you said earlier price point is not definitive , the customer still requires incentive and the Wii and XBOX 360 may not always offer more of an incentive than the PS3.

4.Next gen starts when the companies decide they want it to.

5.Gamecube has no demand try using something that people actualy want as comparison for example a Ferrari Car or Gucci bag , items which are very price elastic when you reduce their value.

Imagine the sales as they are now, only slightly higher for a few months. That'll give you a good picture.

The title of the thread sound like a good idea for the next game in the Imagine series, 15 millions sold CONFIRMED!!!!

Imagine a world where people stop offering up excuses for the PS3...

It will sell better?? Yeah good point.

Okay, sorry if you took offense to it, didn't exactly think it through. I wasn't really arguing against what you presented, but what Patcher was implying with his magic price argument.

I'm not sure I understand the above (your quote I bolded). Maybe this will clarify my argument: I don't exactly believe in all the bullet points I listed. I was just trying to demonstrate that not all similarities are just going to carry onto this gen. If we're to believe Patcher's claim that most consoles sell at $200 (and therefore, when the PS3 hits that point sales will rocket), we also have to look at other "similarities." For example, Microsoft's "first to 10 million wins" argument. That's all I meant, really.

Manuelf, that game wont be anywhere near as big as the next blockbuster

Imagine Financial Crisis
In that game, you have to act as a consumer and buy lots of goods to save the economy. Of course, there will be lots of expansion packs for the game, which is infact a metagame, because by buying the game you will actually be helping the economy