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Gaps in releases of a first year consoles are almost always there. 360 and PS3 both had them in their first year as well. They fill up later in the 2nd and 3rd years as development becomes persistent in the 3rd parties and 1st party themselves.

Wii is doubtful to have those gaps in 2009... but of course you'll only recognize the gaps if you don't like the games that are releasing haha.



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SaviorX said:

What I mean by that, is leaving a 6-month gap in their release schedule. April 27th-October 21st (around there) without anything worthwhile for the Wii.

I understand they might want to give 3rd parties a chance to sell or something, but it's not like those 3rd arties can say "well, Nintendo isn't releasing anything, let's make a game in 4 months and have it released by September!"

Now that I think about it, not Nintendo, but the Wii itself cannot be allowed to have that gap. Things with Party in the title do not spur hardware sales. The point I'm  trying to make is look at how this software gap has affected HW sales in Japan.

I would say 3rd parties should be held responsible too, but that would contradict my argument. So to put it shortly:
The Wii should not have half-year gaps without worthwhile releases. At most, 3 months. That way, it is Seasonal.

 

You do realize this is the fastest Nintendo has come at releasing their first party games for any system they've made, right? Not only should 3rd parties be held responsible for not pushing the Wii's engine, but Nintendo shouldn't have much blame at all for this.



I agree since Brawl came out things have been really dead. But you can't blame Nintendo. Apart from F Zero and Pikmin they have already released all their major franchises. It's 3rd parties to blame. Nintendo can only produce so many games.



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Diomedes1976 said:

Stuff

I see you've already been warned, and plenty of other folks have taken their turns at you, so I'll limit myself to this:

Stop being a disgrace to my avatar. Everytime I read one of your posts, it makes me want to change my avvy, and I ain't having that.

 



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trestres said:

Hmmm, I have to agree, but the problem doesn't affect Japanese gamers, it affects American ones. Let me explain it better, Nintendo of Japan is seeing low Wii sales, but not because of the lack of 1st party games, but because of the lack of 3rd party games, main franchises and core games overall. Still, the core Nintendo fan is pretty well attended and considered, with all of the 1st party titles released so far there and like 15 more games announced.

On the other hand, Nintendo of America is seeing record Wii sales, but the gamers and core Nintendo fans are the ones that feel left aside by them. Casual gamers are having a feast right now, but core gamers and Nintendo fans, not so much. Nintendo of America hasn't released or doesn't have planned many of the 1st party Wii games, such as Disaster, Fatal Frame 4, Captain Rainbow, Eyeshield 21 (Though that's a really Japanese game), TV Show King, Family Jockey, etc and NoA hasn't announced any of the games that Nintendo showcased at their conference, save for Punch-Out and Sin & Punishment 2.
What Wii gamers can look after for before June 09 is Wii Sports Resort, Animal Crossing Wii and maybe the GC ports, though they will probably get released Christmas next year at earliest.
Nintendo of America needs to get their act together and start considering the core gamers and longtime Nintendo fans again in the Americas. I know they are delighted with the sales and the money the casual market is generating, but ignoring the core audience is just stupid and releasing 1 1st party game every 3 months is very worrying, as it may seem that NoA is willing to depend solely on the casuals and 3rd parties. Thanks Reggie, not.

Thank you for explaining my reasoning a little better.

I swear Rol, you took the word "worthwhile" and ran with it. Then everyone wants to call me an elitist or something. Phew, I guess some people have NEVER seen my posts around here.

 



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

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SaviorX said:

Now that I think about it, not Nintendo, but the Wii itself cannot be allowed to have that gap. Things with Party in the title do not spur hardware sales. The point I'm  trying to make is look at how this software gap has affected HW sales in Japan.

I would say 3rd parties should be held responsible too, but that would contradict my argument. So to put it shortly:
The Wii should not have half-year gaps without worthwhile releases. At most, 3 months. That way, it is Seasonal.

 

 I originally intended to use Japan as an example of software gaps that affects hardware. However, that wasn't the focal point of the whole thing. My OT included all regions.



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

RolStoppable said:

SaviorX said:
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Thank you for explaining my reasoning a little better.

I swear Rol, you took the word "worthwhile" and ran with it. Then everyone wants to call me an elitist or something. Phew, I guess some people have NEVER seen my posts around here.

You just agreed with trestres' post which was nearly exclusively talking about Wii games for America, but previously you said that you are talking about Japan only. But he explained your reasoning a little bit better?

The main problem in this thread is that nobody really knows what it is about and that includes the OP!

EDIT: Where do you get it from that people wanted to call you an elitist? The thread was derailed early on and the majority of posts didn't deal with the topic at all.

 

 I don't remember who said it, but I got the usual "Oh well your tastes don't dictate everyone else's yadda yadda yadda"



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

In Japan they should have spread out mario kart and SSBB, don't know how you can release 2 games that are that massive that close together then leave the gap like they did. However as a gamer I don't really care because I can play those games anytime, now or 6 months from now.



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RolStoppable said:
SaviorX said:
SaviorX said:

Now that I think about it, not Nintendo, but the Wii itself cannot be allowed to have that gap. Things with Party in the title do not spur hardware sales. The point I'm  trying to make is look at how this software gap has affected HW sales in Japan.

I would say 3rd parties should be held responsible too, but that would contradict my argument. So to put it shortly:
The Wii should not have half-year gaps without worthwhile releases. At most, 3 months. That way, it is Seasonal.

 I originally intended to use Japan as an example of software gaps that affects hardware. However, that wasn't the focal point of the whole thing. My OT included all regions.

But Japan doesn't really work as an example, because we have weekly hardware sales numbers displayed here on VGC. The other regions had software droughts as well, yet the Wii kept selling steady. It's really only Japan that is affected, but as oyvoyvoyv pointed out, it's normal for that country to have low hardware sales all around at this time of the year (the PS2 sold at similar patterns).

Furthermore you have to consider that the quality of third party support for the Wii is increasing, so it's less likely that the Wii will face a similar problem next year (which wasn't a problem in America and Europe anyway).

Regarding the worthwile releases: If you make a blanket statement like "no worthwile releases for six months" while there have been some good games, you have to expect people to call you out on that, because what you said is only an opinion and not a fact.

Bolded: I could've chosen a better choice of words, but I hope you get what I meant. It is like what johnsobas said. If for example Ninty was to release StarFox, Kid Icarus, Pilotwings, and Hybrid Heaven 2 next year. They drop Starfox in Jan, Kid Icarus in March, Release Hybrid Heaven 2 in May then leave Pilotwings for November...with nothing else proceeding HH2. I hope they don't do that again.

They've adopted a philosophy of keeping their cards to their chest, so I wouldn't mind not hearing about a Pilotwings
if it is going to come in November. I'd hate to wait 5 months for something like that to release.

Italicized: The 3rd party support will be there; I am FULLY aware of that glorious fact. It won't seem so bad with that around. I just hope it doesn't happen again, that's all.



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

But the "worthwile releases in the next 6 months" part is true actually because he was citing 1st party releases. After November 13 (not sure about the exact date of AC:CF), there's no 1st party Wii game planned until April 09 at earliest, since Wii Sports: Resort has a Spring 09 release. After that, there could also be another 6 months of drought until Christmas 09 where perhaps Punch-Out will be released, perhaps because Nintendo has a strong history of delaying or simply cancelling games.

The "worthwile" part of that comment, means that there's no game for all audiences, because from AC:CF up to Wii Sports:Resort, there's almost 6 months of no core or Nintendo franchise game released. Core gamers, according to Reggie, had just had SSBB. Just means 8 months ago, and we won't be receiving another one for at least another year or more. So SaviorX complaints are perfectly fine.



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