Don't use Wikipedia for that sorta thing.

Miyamoto was not the primary creative force behind a huge chunk of games he produced. Shigesato Itoi was behind Mother, Dennis Dyack was behind Eternal Darkness (DYACK...! *shakes fist*), RARE made Killer Instinct, Sakurai is behind Smash Bros.... The list goes on.

Well, even that varies from game to game. Miyamoto did work with Dyack a fair bit when Eternal Darkness was made (I think), but Itoi is an auteur who writes every single word of every single game in Mother himself...

That isn't downplaying him at all, because he influenced many, many of those games that he was merely the producer on. It's just those two and Killer Instinct that really caught my eye

Nice post. Refreshing to find somebody mature enough to respect Wii Music despite not being personally interested in the game.

@ Khuutra

It's true that Miyamoto gets too much creative credit for a lot of the projects he works on, but he does provide valuable creative input to every project he works on. I know you didn't say otherwise, but I just wanted to clarify this fact.

I will acknowledge the Hell out of that. A lot of his design philosophy went into Eternal Darkness, and it shows when you compare the game to how Too Human turned out.

By no means do I mean to downplay Miyamoto in any way - it's like my brother and I say to each other:

Picking the top 10 developers of all time is very hard.

Picking the top 5 is unfair.

Picking the top 3 is almost impossible.

Picking number 1, though, is as easy as it gets.

1. Measuring, no. Discussion and debate, very much so. To measure something you need a well made system to count whatever you're measuring, and there's so many people with so many different opinions on things like this, that any complex system you implement probably won't accommodate a lot of people. Judging from your most wanted games in your sig, you line of thinking is in-line enough with the current gaming media where their scale is at least somewhat helpful to you. It's not very helpful to someone like me whose interest in traditional gaming is lingering in recent days, and for entirely new gamers that started with the Wii Series (an obvious part of Wii Music's target audience), it's useless.

Critics should help people better understand things with thoughtful and thorough analysis, to better enable their audiences to make informed decisions for themselves. Not to make the actual decisions for their audience.

2. No one is arguing sales are a statement of quality, and I was arguing that people ultimately decides what'll be remembered. It's just as a likely something sells well, but isn't remembered particularly fondly, and goes forgotten. (Numerous Hollywood blockbusters would come to mind if I could remember any =P) And neither you nor I know what if anything will stand the test of time. Your eyes tear up with sadness at wasted potential, mine light with the idea of unlocking my own potential. You're not the world; I'm not the world. If you were to examine video games as an art form, and exclude the masses feelings, then examination is only to benefit yourself and the people similar to you, a big reason I don't like many critics.

3. I call them elite in that game reviewers do have a position of (petty) power in that their opinions carry more weight with many people, and they're given access to games before paying customers like us because they're valued as somehow being better judges of what makes good games. Entitled might have been a better word. I don't see them as elite in the sense they're any better at their job then any other random dolt on the internet. =P

Ultimately, it sounds like you're just mad that this is Nintendo's major release this Christmas season, and not something you wanted. (much like tuoyo really) But I think it would help if you realized that your feelings aren't everyone else's feelings and shouldn't expect them to be. Nintendo is a big company and can afford to produce sequels to games you like, and new kinds of games, for new players. In less then two years there have already been sequels for Mario, Metriod Prime, Smash Bros, Zelda Wario Land, Battalion Wars, Paper Mario, and Fire Emblem on the Wii alone. They’ll likely have more games for you next year as well. You’re certainly free to hate Wii Music all you like, that’s your right. Just don’t expect that feeling to be that law on how other people feel about this game.

i like your quote khuutra. very nice
you mean sid meier right?
I mean, will wright?
Tim Stamper?
Ohhhh, miyamoto... soo desu neeeee

I dont think he cares... sales will be huge anyways so of course he smileys :))

well, i like the game, but i wont buy it.

When you come to accept that there is no such thing as a "hardcore game," and there are only gamers (or more generically, persons) who play games in a hardcore way, you will be much happier and not make such comments that really make no sense. You automatically assume  that when a game is played in a "hardcore" fashion, then that game is automatically "hardcore." I prefer the term "dedicated gamer" over "hardcore" and I wrote an article about how we need to redefine the terms we use to describe games and gamers, but I haven't gotten around to typing it up.

Wii Music is awesome.