@TheRealMafoo

Wow, I watched that first video, here's my favorite quote:

Interviewer: What do you want barrack to do first?

Person: Lower gas prices.

Interviewer: How do you think he would do that?

Person: Well it might take him a couple terms.

I lol'd

EDIT: now I (regretably) know why damkira is such a liberal. Can't say :/

It depends on the issue, but I actually agree.  For example: Most Ams don't want Universal Healthcare, they may think it will raise their taxes, lower quality of care to some people, lead to fully socialized medicine out of fear of the word, or  hurt the fiinancial markets.

The first two are probably right, the third is unlikely it will probably remain privatized and semi-competitive, and the fourth is debatable.  If the government strarts insuring all the people who aren't currently through private providers, then their sales go up.  The government pays good prices too.  Long term however, the few providers will probably shrink to an even smaller group though we'll probably see more local branches.

Once the poor and middle class are getting assistance with healthcare, the vast-majority of them woud never vote to take them away.  It will be saving them money and easier to manage.  The businesses and upperclass will be paying more for their own coverage but less for employees.  More profits and removing that entitlement would make them have to go back to the barbaric "healthcare tied to a job" system - where they spend money on benefits, but also on managing and organizing their employees benefits.  The taxes would probably be less than what the difference per individual, especially if they raise taxes on investments instead of wage income (in all but the lowest interest income brackets).

Socialism makes most people dependent on government for many/most aspects of their lives.  There is nothing wrong with that if that's what you think is best, but for those of us who realize what this means for liberty (economically and socially) it's very alarming indeed.  Of course you are free to think what you want, but don't get upset that I criticize you for it.

In any case, socialism involves penalizing those who work hard to prop up those who don't.  I don't like that (being one who works hard), and I think most Americans don't like that either.

SamuelRSmith said:
And what's wrong with communism, anywho?

Do you you have any memories of the time before 1990?  Or maybe just look at places like Cuba and North Korea to see.

Democratic socialism =/ communism.

In my opinion, in all societies (roughly) 10% of people on each end of the political spectrum would be considered to have extreme view-points; and 10% of those people (roughly 1% of the total) have very extreme view points which are frightening to most people. In no way should either group be confused for being "Typical" supporters for any major candidate for a political party because their views, values and beliefs rarely represent anything similar to the views, values and beliefs of their favourite candidate.

I could be wrong but I suspect that a large portion of these people end up being so extreme because they’re marginalized by society in some way or another, they become angry with certain elements, and they find kinship with these extremist organizations.

For every one of the extremist (potentially racist) hicks, there is someone who holds similarly misguided (and often funny) views on the other end of the political spectrum. My personal favourite (simply because it was ironic) was a group waving posters with phrases like "Homosexuals for Hezbollah" without realizing that members of Hezbollah would (typically) advocate stoning them to death because they were homosexuals.

I don't think anyone was claiming otherwise.

That reminds me of the video of extreme leftists in Denver (at the Democratic Convention) carrying signs in support of Muqtada al-Sadr.

Awwww.... Is it because you've "found out" that I'm gay? I've never tried to hide that on this forum (or to my family, friends or coworkers for that matter) Its part of who I am and I'm not the least bit embarassed by it... Soooooooo, you'll have to do a little bit better than that if you're trying to insult me.

From the first bit of video from the Obama people.
They may seemed a bit clueless at times, but they tried to defend who they voted for without the pathetic attempts by the ones in the original post.