Starter Pack is half a price cut you just get more for your money but still spend the same amount.

Sales numbers of NSMB, Super Paper Mario & Mario Party 8 say different.

Well i am tired of Mario games i say bring back Pikmin then you can have my £200 for a Wii.

I definitely agree that brand loyalty exists, I just think it's much less powerful than many believe.

I think its importance is overestimated simply because its much easier to quantify than, say, the fun-ness of individual games or the value of innovations like the Wii Remote. Those things are tough to quantify, and therefore get less emphasis than they probably should; brand loyalty, multi-media functionality and other perks get more emphasis than they deserve because they're either easy to pinpoint or have a literal, tangible value.  

The Wii has been outselling 360 on Others since it launched and PS3 since April. Wii is currently selling more than both of it's competitors combined.

This Christmas is going to be interesting. Japan pretty much is in Nintendo's pocket. Meanwhile, in the States, Microsoft is scrambling to hold onto its lead, with Nintendo nipping at its heels.

Europe is going to be the battleground this year. Sony's strongest front.

Don't mix what you want and reality.

You don't know at all if Europe prefers PS3 to 360. The only objective way to know is to look at sales.

The Starter Pack is not good value at all. That is, unless you intended to buy one extra pad (without vibration) and the specific 2 games put in it. Unless you are in the very small niche of people that want that, the pack has a very bad value, except for Sony. The extra pad is just there to sell out the no-vibration pads, and the games will increase the tie ratio.

But we europeans still get the most expensive PS3, and not even the 80 GB one, but the crapiest 60 GB without EE.

And Europe is not Sony territory. UK sure is Sony land, but not all of Europe. And if you really believe that a £300 PS3 will make Europe Sony territory, you're in a dreamland, sorry. And this, regardless of the fact that what you say won't happen, at least not anytime soon (not before 2009 at best), and it will be too late.

There is this strange belief among lots of people, that most console owners will buy several consoles. This won't happen. Especially after all these people having tasted the wiimote.

1)The DreamCast was all but dead by the time PS started to dominate, Sega simply didn't have the resources to compete. The PS1&2 had the best selection of games and was up against pretty poor competition who were late to the party both gens. SOny definately has a well known brand but the actual PS brand has been steadily in decline since the PSP failed to dominate like it was supposed to. 

2)The market isn't 2.5x bigger than the PS/N64 gen. Also the PS had a significant lead built up before the N64 was even released, Wii has built up it's 5.5 million advantage after launching at the same time as PS3(in most of the world anyway). If anything Wii's 5.5 million advantage is more impressive and telling than PS1's 6.

Ok most people i know never used rumble cause it was annoying on the PS2 and most European countries are buyin more PS3 than X360.Ok in the UK which is strongest European "battleground" HMV,Virgin,GAME and Gamestation are giving away 2 games from a list which has Resistance,Motorstorm,F1,Genji,Oblivion and some other on and others are also giving away 2BDs aswell as 2pads and 2 games.
If a parent walks into the shop and sees 60GB PS3 £425 and 60GB Starter Pack PS3 £425 which one are they gonna buy?Starter Pack one this is how it should work during Christmas.

If the white engine uses 4 of the 7 SPE's and the main CPU, then that is 6 total threads that can be occuring simultaneously.  Guess how many the 360 can do?

Yeah, they could port the white engine to 360 if they wanted.  But I don't think they will.  I think they'll port FF13 to UE3, since Square recently licensed it.