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yushire said:
I've watched it, its really sad that even with all these realities theyre still biased about HD consoles and not mentioned about the Wii.

@darth----> I've seen the first episode of Bonus Round, it seem even before analysts are still discriminating the Wii, the console selling because of the casuals and grandmas. Even Pachter

 

maybe because it is, also nintendo core, but they don't like FPS, Gore or anything "hardcore" in their games and of course if any of those genders sales are made by nintendo.



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Jo21 said:
yushire said:
I've watched it, its really sad that even with all these realities theyre still biased about HD consoles and not mentioned about the Wii.

@darth----> I've seen the first episode of Bonus Round, it seem even before analysts are still discriminating the Wii, the console selling because of the casuals and grandmas. Even Pachter

 

maybe because it is, also nintendo core, but they don't like FPS, Gore or anything "hardcore" in their games and of course if any of those genders sales are made by nintendo.

 

 So how do you explain No More heroes even with no advertising sold well that it warrants a sequel or HVS making a new FPS game the Conduit and SEGA publishing a game which is violent Madworld?



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

well Yushire, for giggles I'll argue with you.

Suda games have such a low bar to be successful that it's no wonder that it reached that even with no advertising. Also the existence of Conduit and Madworld do not prove the "hardcore"ness of the Wii userbase, but solely that some producers thought it would be worth a shot.

That said, although your reasons seem circumspect, I agree that the Wii userbase should not be generalized and that there is no reason that the Wii's success should be ignored.



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Torillian said:
well Yushire, for giggles I'll argue with you.

Suda games have such a low bar to be successful that it's no wonder that it reached that even with no advertising. Also the existence of Conduit and Madworld do not prove the "hardcore"ness of the Wii userbase, but solely that some producers thought it would be worth a shot.

That said, although your reasons seem circumspect, I agree that the Wii userbase should not be generalized and that there is no reason that the Wii's success should be ignored.

 

That could've been said in the DS before, now where is DS now? The showcase of DS before are Nintendogs and Cooking Mama...( I know I bought the DS and guess what the game that played often?)

We should just wait till next year if the Wii is really a platform for core games, as you can see its only this time that 3rd parties realized the importance of Wii core games and they releasing it in early 2009.



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

yushire said:
Jo21 said:
yushire said:
I've watched it, its really sad that even with all these realities theyre still biased about HD consoles and not mentioned about the Wii.

@darth----> I've seen the first episode of Bonus Round, it seem even before analysts are still discriminating the Wii, the console selling because of the casuals and grandmas. Even Pachter

 

maybe because it is, also nintendo core, but they don't like FPS, Gore or anything "hardcore" in their games and of course if any of those genders sales are made by nintendo.

 

 So how do you explain No More heroes even with no advertising sold well that it warrants a sequel or HVS making a new FPS game the Conduit and SEGA publishing a game which is violent Madworld?

 

NMH clearly had a sequel in the works before it was released.  there is no other way they would already be showing the sequel if that wasnt the case.

also, it sold pretty decently but not gang busters.  there are enough multiconsole true gamers (gamers that only care about good game and have multiple systems) that titles like that can be supported.



my pillars of gaming: kh, naughty dog, insomniac, ssb, gow, ff

i officially boycott boycotts.  crap.

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pachter again? man he talks out of his ass.



soccerdrew17 said:
yushire said:

 

 So how do you explain No More heroes even with no advertising sold well that it warrants a sequel or HVS making a new FPS game the Conduit and SEGA publishing a game which is violent Madworld?

 

NMH clearly had a sequel in the works before it was released.  there is no other way they would already be showing the sequel if that wasnt the case.

also, it sold pretty decently but not gang busters.  there are enough multiconsole true gamers (gamers that only care about good game and have multiple systems) that titles like that can be supported.

Okami and other Clover studio games should have a sequel you know like Viewtiful Joe 2 if you've seen the endings, same goes to Shadow of Rome. Seriously sequels relies on the sales of the product thats why Ninty and CAPCOM milking their franchise over and over again because it sells.

 



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

GTAIV08 said:
pachter again? man he talks out of his ass.

i both agree and disagree.  while he does make crap loads of predictions, some of them actually come true.  someone ran a survey on 10 predictions that analysts made and pachter was at the top with 50%  he might make a lot of crap predictions, but half the time (literally) he knows what hes saying.

i think its a case of negative disposition, where you only care about the ones he gets wrong so those are the ones you remember.

 



my pillars of gaming: kh, naughty dog, insomniac, ssb, gow, ff

i officially boycott boycotts.  crap.

soccerdrew17 said:
GTAIV08 said:
pachter again? man he talks out of his ass.

i both agree and disagree.  while he does make crap loads of predictions, some of them actually come true.  someone ran a survey on 10 predictions that analysts made and pachter was at the top with 50%  he might make a lot of crap predictions, but half the time (literally) he knows what hes saying.

i think its a case of negative disposition, where you only care about the ones he gets wrong so those are the ones you remember.

 

 

 So Pachter was a fortune teller now? :O Even I could make predictions you know



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

Anyway, seriously... we can make predictions, I still dont get it why analysts paid for such things I mean no one knew about the great depression in 1930's and the fall of the soviet union during 1990's so how can we predict something?

Even with sophisticated forecasting system and seismograph we cant predict earthquakes, tsunamis and storms what more with monthly analysis?



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg