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Oyvoyvoyv said:
nordlead said:

The prediction league round has been fixed! So enter at your own risk

 

 It has? But mine is still at 1M for all consoles...

I think you will need to PM nordlead so he can put it right.

 



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TWRoO said:
Oyvoyvoyv said:
nordlead said:

The prediction league round has been fixed! So enter at your own risk

 

 It has? But mine is still at 1M for all consoles...

I think you will need to PM nordlead so he can put it right.

 

correct




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nordlead said:
TWRoO said:
Oyvoyvoyv said:
nordlead said:

The prediction league round has been fixed! So enter at your own risk

 

 It has? But mine is still at 1M for all consoles...

I think you will need to PM nordlead so he can put it right.

 

correct

I made my predictions.

Also are you going to make one for this thread seeing as I advertised your league in the OP?

 



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yea, I will. I've been super busy at work (pushing software out the door this week) and I've been trying to fix some other stuff related to this site.




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Alright my long and antic

ipated prediction at this is finally here.  First I'd like to go over my predictions last time around.  These where my rough tolerance ranges for the 3 last year at the end of that 10 week span:

Wii- 18-18.5 million
360- 14.7-15.2 million
PS3- 7.0-7.5 million

Actual was this:

Wii- 19.65 million
360- 16.00 million
PS3- 9.16 million

Luckily it showed a similar trend.  On Wii I was off by 7.6%, 360 by 6.4%, and PS3 by 20.9%.  It's obvious I underestimated the holiday season.  I think a year or 2 ago those numbers might have been spot on with the holidays but 2007 holiday season was obviously a lot larger.  So Wii and 360 were actually not that bad prediction wise although still off by around 1 to 1.5 million.  PS3 prediction was not so hot.  Why? I underestimated 2 things.  One the successfulness of the 40 GB PS3 which actually became the dominant version.  Broke trends of the "cheaper"/weaker SKU being more dominant than the more expensive/"stronger" SKU.  Took me by surprise.  I also underestimated the power of a platform in its first holiday season without severe shortages or under shipments.  

Thus in my next prediction I'll try not to make the same mistakes although it is always possible I will haha.  Anyways not bad if I do say so myself considering they weren't random guesses haha.  

Now this year's 10 week countdown starts with the week beginning October 26, 2008.  That is of course the beginning of next week.  However we only have sales that are currently up to October 10, 2008.  Meaning even though numbers are coming in within the next 2 days to help my guessing game I guess I'm going to have to do it myself.  Currently here's the status of the 3:

  • Wii- 33.41 million
  • 360- 21.44 million
  • PS3- 15.90 million

So far this year this is how much they've sold:

  • Wii- 13.76 million
  • 360- 5.44 million
  • PS3- 6.74 million

For the most part sales this year of the 3 have been pretty good even compared to last year and last year's holiday season was monumentally better than most holiday seasons before it.  So this is something to note when I underestimated holiday sales last year it might be good to overestimate holiday sales this year.  But anyways we need to find where the sales will be at the day before week beginning on Oct 26, 2008.  I'm not going really give it huge thought considering if I'm off on these 2 weeks chances are it'd only effect my overall prediction by about 200k tops which wouldn't effect percentages too much.  So judging by sales the last couple of weeks and obvious rising sales that these will be the numbers by the time we hit the week starting Oct 26, 2008:

  • Wii- 34.20 million
  • 360- 21.80 million
  • PS3- 16.25 million

I wanted to have them all evened out but couldn't find a decent way to do that with PS3 so deal with it haha.  I'll even it out in one of the weeks so that we get nice clean numbers.  Remember not going for pinpoint accuracy so those 10k numbers really don't mean much.  I don't mind being off by 90k haha.  Now Twroo has provided in the first post all the major events that happen on each week for all platforms so that I don't have to explain most of my things so I'll get straight into a table that hopefully everyone can follow considering I'm not too good at creating all this stuff:

Wii PS3 360
Wk 1 400,000 225,000 200,000
Wk 2 450,000 350,000 350,000
Wk 3 500,000 350,000 300,000
Wk 4 550,000 375,000 350,000
Wk 5 1,050,000 550,000 500,000
Wk 6 1,000,000 500,000 450,000
Wk 7 1,550,000 550,000 550,000
Wk 8 2,250,000 850,000 800,000
Wk 9 1,400,000 500,000 500,000
Wk 10 650,000 400,000 300,000
Total 9,800,000 4,650,000 4,300,000
Lifetime Total 44,000,000 20,900,000 26,100,000

Considering Wii is in the first column we'll discuss it first.  Wii I'd think for me took the most time to come up with a set of numbers that worked with me.  Went through about 20 different scenarios until I chose the best one.  I had first tried to use trends from Wii in 2007 during the Holidays but I quickly understood why this wouldn't work.  Just different considering Wii was mostly sold out during that time while it won't be so much this time.  Thus I used most of my trends from either PS2 a few holiday seasons ago and DS in 2007 to come up with a set of numbers that worked the best.  Most difficult week has to be Wk 9 considering usually it isn't a strong week but it includes some of the biggest shopping days in the world this time around... more so than last year.  Thus it's going to be a little stronger this year. 

PS3 was a little bit easier of course still difficult.  Most of its trends are just looking at last year but on a slight increase overall.  Taking into fact the increases taht will happen with the big games releasing such as Resistance 2 and LBP and later White Knight Story I'm thinking this year I won't have underestimated like I did last year with it. 

360 trends had to ahve been the easiest to predict considering a lot of the regions are easy to predict.  America may have proven though the most difficult to calculate in surprisingly.  I really only had to make a few revisions.  360 is going to go into the these 10 weeks assumedly ahead of PS3 but PS3's big guns all release around the openings of these weeks so it's its not going to be able to top it for almost all of the holidays but will play right underneath it for pretty much the entire time.  360's biggest gun of course is Gears of War 2 which will of course be the one that helps it stay around PS3.

Ultimately this holiday in my opinion is going to be monumentally bigger than last year.  Only platform that probably won't see it being as big is DS but this could be its peak year but doubtful.  While Wii will take the place of DS in America from last year as having similar trends, PS3 and 360 will just start to move up at a specific percentage in the world.  Also a lot of my data is counting that PSP 3000, DSi, and games like Animal Crossing will indeed cause the Japanese market to be huge this holiday season giving extra sales for everyone.  However most of my increases are coming from the region that is Europe/Other.  DS has opened this market up enough to not only support itself and Wii but I think increased sales for PS3 and 360. 

So these are mine let's hope I'm closer this year haha.



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^Still all lower than mine, but I suspect I may have overshot a little.

I went through some similar thought processes as yourself (took me ages to make this thread)

Also given a few of the predictions now, I think I may have overestimated week 9 in comparison to week 8 (me predicting week 9 being the largest sales week for all consoles)
The week placement does make it quite awkward this year, last year there was a week that ended leaving only 2 days left before Christmas day, so obviously that week is to be the mahor one. This year the weeks are set 5 days forward (2 days back) so that what was week 9 (huge week ending before Christmas) is now week 8.... and week 9spans across Christmas day.

The dilema being: week 9 has the 21st, 22nd, 23rd and 24th of December included in it, which are sure to be the 4 biggest shopping days of the year worldwide*, but Christmas day, eve and the 27th are not so huge.... Week 8 however has 7 big shopping days, the last of which being the last Saturday before Christmas.

My question is, will people be rushing out on that Saturday to buy their gifts, or is Sunday just as important.... had ioi's tracking weeks all ended on Sundays, this would have been easier, but as it is I think the two weeks will be close, but perhaps Zucas and Oyv have the right trending. (although Wii will depend on when the shipments are advertised more than anything else, but I can't guess at things like that)

Maybe a little revision of my predictions so that the two weeks are closer together, and with Wk 8 having a slight edge over 9.

*in the USA I beliave Black Friday can rival the 22nd or 23rd Dec.



twroo- well the main difference I saw in mine compared to the rest, in all 3 really, was on week 9. I think some people are overestimating this week a little too much. Considering in that week we have dead days such as December 25th. I mean from a week perspective that means it can only have 6 out of the 7 days for sales taking a 7th of the sales away already. And I don't think that'll be made up for most in Japan.

So that's where I saw a lot of differences between mine and the rest and probably makes up a good deal of the difference. I personally still think my week 9 sales are too high but we'll see.

But yea mine is lower than the rest even after I made the whole first part about how I underestimated but I'm satisfied with mine. For Wii Nintendo plans to have about 45 million- 46 million shipped by the end of the year and I'm not expecting it to be sold out like at the end of 07. So those that are predicting over 11 million I kinda disagree with considering they are suggesting a sellout.

And of course for PS3 and 360 I'm a little close to what most are predicting but still a little lower. Guess we'll just see.



Well while I was writing that post I searched back to Christmas 2003 as the week falls across Christmas in the same way. (Why I didn't do this when making my predictions I don't know, considering I did it last year)

Here is the graph: http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=GC&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=XB&reg3=All&start=37927&end=37990

So sales should fall for the week ending the 27th, but perhaps not so much as in your numbers.

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And yes, my Wii number is based on my belief that nintendo will ship 46 million, and have shipped 52 million (1 more than their current estimate) by March 31st

And my prediction for the next 2 weeks is that they will fall short of 400k average, so Wii will be at 34 million rather than 34.2 before the 10 weeks begin. so that's a 12 million gap, for which I have predicted 11 million sales.



Hmm yes good point. But its doubtful as some have put it that week 9 will see better sales than week 8.