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windbane on 23 July 2007
totalwar23 said:
windbane said:
totalwar23 said:
windbane said:

Whatever, Bodhesatva.

Until those companies release high-profile games on the Wii I'm not impressed. The Wii is currently undergoing a major drought in games.


whatever? now you're just digging a fanboy trench. How can you expect the companies that have JUST stated they are shifting resources to the Wii to just magically pump out games in an instant? 2008. And guess what, what kind of games the PS3 has received during this time? Ports from the 360. Even NGS. if you type in Wii games and compare that to PS3 games in Wikipedia, you would realize that there is a shift. you might dismiss all of them as being crappy games but that's pretty much how the original PS crush the N64.


We'll see.

His other argument was that those other consoles did not survive and that's indicated by poor sales. Clearly, the PS3 is selling better.

Ico Team game is 360 port? Katamari creator's new game is a 360 port? Burnout is a port to 360.

You can make broad statements if you want, but the examples are there. I'd like to point out, however, the if the PS3 is getting a lot of the same games that 360 gets and more, then that is good for combating the Wii.

Edit: Also, it seems you are telling me to wait for games, and yet that's what people keep saying for the PS3. There are already more quality games to play on the PS3 and a lot of great games are coming out soon.

 

Team Ico game, Katamari creator game, Burnout? I said the games that have been released now. I tried to do a quick search the Team Ico game is an unknown project. What is the PS3 getting now? Rainbow Six Vegas, Dirt and other stuff that is being outsold by its 360 counterpart. You can always find a couple of games which you can say see-the PS3 is not just getting ports from the 360 but right now, in its first year of launch, along with the Wii, is pretty much what its going to get. The problem for the PS3 right now is that it is being outsold by the Wii. Yes, I'm well aware that the PS3 is selling better than the 3DO, but so did the N64 and the Gamecube and while those consoles survive, Nintendo lost dominance and developers shifted to the Playstation. This generation, we will see developers shifting resources from the Playstation to the Wii. That's pretty much Bodhesatva's point but I don't want to speak for him. He could be saying the PS3 will die off and I misunderstood him.

 


If the ports are great who cares?  Rainbow 6 and Oblivion are great.  Ninja Gaiden Sigma isn't a straight port, either, it's a complete makeover with a new character and levels.

The games I mentioned, and nearly every big third-party announcement at E3, favor the PS3 over the Wii.  

Title
Plat
Company
Reviews
Avg.
Vote
Avg
Score
1. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion PS3 Bethesda Softworks 45 7.7 93.0%
2. Ninja Gaiden Sigma PS3 Tecmo 23 8.4 88.4%
3. Resistance: Fall of Man PS3 SCEA 70 7.9 87.4%
4. Virtua Fighter 5 PS3 Sega 44 7.9 87.2%
5. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas PS3 Ubisoft 16 8.0 86.0%
6. NBA Street Homecourt PS3 EA Sports Big 25 6.7 84.4%
7. Fight Night Round 3 PS3 EA Sports 36 7.9 83.6%
8. MotorStorm PS3 SCEA 62 8.0 83.1%
9. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 PS3 EA Sports 29 6.0 82.1%
10. The Darkness PS3 2K Games 18 7.7 81.6%

That's a solid lineup right now and 4 of those are only on PS3 (including NGS, which again, is not a straight port).  Oblivion loads twice as fast as well, but whatever.  VF5 will be on 360 soon.

Anyway, we'll see what the true effect of the price-cut was next month (when we see this month's numbers).  Until then, we are all guessing as usual.  The game lineup for PS3 is spectacular this year and should only get better next year, though, so I'm not sure where the drop in momentum is going to occur. 



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LeroyBrown on 23 July 2007

NBA Street Court and Tiger Woods are of course what I think of when deciding whether I want a PS3 or not. ;)



leo-j on 23 July 2007
LeroyBrown said:
NBA Street Court and Tiger Woods are of course what I think of when deciding whether I want a PS3 or not. ;)

I cant wait till lair comes out and gets a good review so people can stop mocking the ps3 and its software. You should think about uncharted, ratchet, and heavenly sword towards your purchuse of a ps3. Those games are hardcore and awsome.



 

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HappySqurriel on 23 July 2007
leo-j said:
LeroyBrown said:
NBA Street Court and Tiger Woods are of course what I think of when deciding whether I want a PS3 or not. ;)

I cant wait till lair comes out and gets a good review so people can stop mocking the ps3 and its software. You should think about uncharted, ratchet, and heavenly sword towards your purchuse of a ps3. Those games are hardcore and awsome.


I can't wait till lair comes out so that people will stop hyping a game that will sell less than 250,000 copies in North America.



totalwar23 on 23 July 2007

ok, i not going to the quote thing because my 48.0 kbps isn't handling it.
yes-I agree those are good ports. In fact I have complain that the Wii gets bad ports from the PS2 while the PS3 gets good ports from the 360-even though the 360 versions are better according to the reviews.
And yet... The Wii is outselling the PS3 3-1 and those ports are selling like Wii ports-not the sales you would expect from big titles. So if the Wii is constantly sold out despite there being a drought of games-what do you expect the how much the Wii will sell this holiday compare to the PS3 when Nintendo releases its big guns-yes Sony has some, too but nothing to combat SSBB and SMG and of course, the inevitable Wii Fit and Music and that's the entire point which you are not really addressing-you seem to go after the minor things that I bring up. I don't really care whether the ports are good or not because it has already been played on the 360. so final point-Wii has gather up a bigger momentum then the PS3 and developers will shift. Whether the Wii will ultimately outsell the PS3, I don't care. It will, however, get a strong userbase to gather up more third party support at the expense of support for the PS3



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totalwar23 on 23 July 2007
HappySqurriel said:
leo-j said:
LeroyBrown said:
NBA Street Court and Tiger Woods are of course what I think of when deciding whether I want a PS3 or not. ;)

I cant wait till lair comes out and gets a good review so people can stop mocking the ps3 and its software. You should think about uncharted, ratchet, and heavenly sword towards your purchuse of a ps3. Those games are hardcore and awsome.


I can't wait till lair comes out so that people will stop hyping a game that will sell less than 250,000 copies in North America.


come one, happysqurriel, don't do that. whether it may or may not be true.



LeroyBrown on 23 July 2007
leo-j said:
LeroyBrown said:
NBA Street Court and Tiger Woods are of course what I think of when deciding whether I want a PS3 or not. ;)

I cant wait till lair comes out and gets a good review so people can stop mocking the ps3 and its software. You should think about uncharted, ratchet, and heavenly sword towards your purchuse of a ps3. Those games are hardcore and awsome.


Just as I'm sure you couldn't wait for Virtua Fighter 5. Just as I'm sure you couldn't wait for Motorstorm. Just as I'm sure you couldn't wait for Ninja Gaiden Sigma.



WiteoutKing on 23 July 2007
windbane said:
Bodhesatva said:
windbane said:
totalwar23 said:
windbane said:

Whatever, Bodhesatva.

Until those companies release high-profile games on the Wii I'm not impressed. The Wii is currently undergoing a major drought in games.


whatever? now you're just digging a fanboy trench. How can you expect the companies that have JUST stated they are shifting resources to the Wii to just magically pump out games in an instant? 2008. And guess what, what kind of games the PS3 has received during this time? Ports from the 360. Even NGS. if you type in Wii games and compare that to PS3 games in Wikipedia, you would realize that there is a shift. you might dismiss all of them as being crappy games but that's pretty much how the original PS crush the N64.


We'll see.

His other argument was that those other consoles did not survive and that's indicated by poor sales. Clearly, the PS3 is selling better.

Ico Team game is 360 port? Katamari creator's new game is a 360 port? Burnout is a port to 360.

You can make broad statements if you want, but the examples are there. I'd like to point out, however, the if the PS3 is getting a lot of the same games that 360 gets and more, then that is good for combating the Wii.

Edit: Also, it seems you are telling me to wait for games, and yet that's what people keep saying for the PS3. There are already more quality games to play on the PS3 and a lot of great games are coming out soon.


It's not selling as well as the Gamecube, and probably not selling as well as high end PCs. Rather than saying that every single one of these consoles was exactly alike (they aren't) and that they all suffered the exact same fate (they didn't, as the Gamecube in particular shows best), the goal was to show a much more general issue: systems that don't sell particularly well don't get a great deal of support from third parties. That is true for every example I've given. Some of the examples sold better than the PS3, some worse -- all of them got poor third party support. If you can name one system that got less than 20 percent market share in any given generation that did recieve major third party support, I'd be interested to know.

Again, I certainly don't expect the PS3 to suffer the 3D0's fate based on sales (complete rejection), but Xbox, Gamecube or PC-esque support is quite likely down the road, as history has shown that systems with 15-20 percent market share recieve that level of support. The PS3 will get its share of games, sure, but not nearly as many as it would if it were a market leader.

I'm just rather flabbergasted by your response, Windbane. I lay out unanimous historical data (every single console that has sold as poorly as the PS3 has recieved mediocre third party support) and I show specific, direct statements from nearly all the major third party software developers, and your response is simply "whatever." Not a particularly convincing argument, Windbane, nor is it particularly cordial.


I must have missed that historical evidence. The PS3 has great third party support right now, far better than the Gamecube had. This is not a similar situation to any of those previous consoles, imo. I'm not trying to be mean or cordial, I'm disagreeing with you.

I highly doubt high-end PCs are selling better than the PS3, btw...


 Windbane, this thread has removed all doubt in my mind that you are a hopeless Sony fanboy who cannot even admit that Sony is in trouble.

 The PS3 does not have great third-part support right now.  If you read the list Bodhesatvaput up, 7 of the top 12 non-N/S/M developers are leaning away from Sony and toward Nintendo, with another one of those 12 already heavily favoring it.

You respond with "whatever"?  Pfft. 



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

Bodhesatva on 23 July 2007

Just in case the historical evidence wasn't enough, and just in case the slew of top-flight publishers all explicitly saying that they were moving towards the Wii wasn't enough, here you go:

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7252

This month's exclusive arm's race.

PS3: 3 new exclusive titles announced!
360: 5 new exclusive titles announced!
Wii: 37 new exclusive titles announced!

The Wii now has almost 2.5 times as many confrimed exclusives as the PS3 has, and clearly that number is growing very rapidly. The 360 has 96 exclusive titles, almost exactly twice as many as the PS3. 



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windbane on 23 July 2007
WiteoutKing said:
windbane said:
Bodhesatva said:
windbane said:
totalwar23 said:
windbane said:

Whatever, Bodhesatva.

Until those companies release high-profile games on the Wii I'm not impressed. The Wii is currently undergoing a major drought in games.


whatever? now you're just digging a fanboy trench. How can you expect the companies that have JUST stated they are shifting resources to the Wii to just magically pump out games in an instant? 2008. And guess what, what kind of games the PS3 has received during this time? Ports from the 360. Even NGS. if you type in Wii games and compare that to PS3 games in Wikipedia, you would realize that there is a shift. you might dismiss all of them as being crappy games but that's pretty much how the original PS crush the N64.


We'll see.

His other argument was that those other consoles did not survive and that's indicated by poor sales. Clearly, the PS3 is selling better.

Ico Team game is 360 port? Katamari creator's new game is a 360 port? Burnout is a port to 360.

You can make broad statements if you want, but the examples are there. I'd like to point out, however, the if the PS3 is getting a lot of the same games that 360 gets and more, then that is good for combating the Wii.

Edit: Also, it seems you are telling me to wait for games, and yet that's what people keep saying for the PS3. There are already more quality games to play on the PS3 and a lot of great games are coming out soon.


It's not selling as well as the Gamecube, and probably not selling as well as high end PCs. Rather than saying that every single one of these consoles was exactly alike (they aren't) and that they all suffered the exact same fate (they didn't, as the Gamecube in particular shows best), the goal was to show a much more general issue: systems that don't sell particularly well don't get a great deal of support from third parties. That is true for every example I've given. Some of the examples sold better than the PS3, some worse -- all of them got poor third party support. If you can name one system that got less than 20 percent market share in any given generation that did recieve major third party support, I'd be interested to know.

Again, I certainly don't expect the PS3 to suffer the 3D0's fate based on sales (complete rejection), but Xbox, Gamecube or PC-esque support is quite likely down the road, as history has shown that systems with 15-20 percent market share recieve that level of support. The PS3 will get its share of games, sure, but not nearly as many as it would if it were a market leader.

I'm just rather flabbergasted by your response, Windbane. I lay out unanimous historical data (every single console that has sold as poorly as the PS3 has recieved mediocre third party support) and I show specific, direct statements from nearly all the major third party software developers, and your response is simply "whatever." Not a particularly convincing argument, Windbane, nor is it particularly cordial.


I must have missed that historical evidence. The PS3 has great third party support right now, far better than the Gamecube had. This is not a similar situation to any of those previous consoles, imo. I'm not trying to be mean or cordial, I'm disagreeing with you.

I highly doubt high-end PCs are selling better than the PS3, btw...


Windbane, this thread has removed all doubt in my mind that you are a hopeless Sony fanboy who cannot even admit that Sony is in trouble.

The PS3 does not have great third-part support right now. If you read the list Bodhesatvaput up, 7 of the top 12 non-N/S/M developers are leaning away from Sony and toward Nintendo, with another one of those 12 already heavily favoring it.

You respond with "whatever"? Pfft.


Until we see the results of that claim, it means nothing. Until then, all we know is EA Playground and other mini-game types. PS3 gets new third party announcements all the time.

Oh, but excuse me for being positive.  My bad.  Would you like me to attack the console I bought and feel is a great system?  I'd rather not join the horde on this forum, thanks.   As I've said many times, I plan to get a Wii and have loved Nintendo since I was a kid playing NES and SNES.  I love Mario Kart.  I love old Mario games.  I want a DS for New Super Mario Bros. and Brain Training.  I love PC games.  I would think about getting a 360 for Mass Effect if I wasn't afraid of shipping off my bad dvd-playing console every month.

I like Sony's PS3, I loved Sony's PS2 and PS1, I really like my PSP and all it can do, but I am not a "hopeless" fanboy.  I have pointed out where Sony has done stupid things time and time again.