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Soriku if you think the PS3 is sucking in Japan you need to be woken up look at the 360 420k in 1.5years thats a suck fest.Its only sucking compared to the Wii but that is half the price.
We keep kicking around the Wii BECAUSE no game has looked much better on it since last gen hopefull MP3 will change this perseption that the Wii cant do good graphics which it can aslong it doesnt go the way of the Gamecube and stop selling suddenly and then No dev company will push the hardware on it.I agree there were good looking games on the Gamecube but it was all too late(Pikmin being one of the ones that looked amazing).



End of 2014 Hardware Predictions (03/03/14)

PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

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Soriku said:
mitsuhide said:
Soriku if you think the PS3 is sucking in Japan you need to be woken up look at the 360 420k in 1.5years thats a suck fest.Its only sucking compared to the Wii but that is half the price.
We keep kicking around the Wii BECAUSE no game has looked much better on it since last gen hopefull MP3 will change this perseption that the Wii cant do good graphics which it can aslong it doesnt go the way of the Gamecube and stop selling suddenly and then No dev company will push the hardware on it.I agree there were good looking games on the Gamecube but it was all too late(Pikmin being one of the ones that looked amazing).

 

I should be forbidden to talk about 360 sales on Japan. So shogld everyone else.

Explain.... 



End of 2014 Hardware Predictions (03/03/14)

PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

Xiru said:
LeroyBrown said:
Soriku said:
Hey, I care about Japan sales most of all. Why? 'Cause if PS3 is sucking in Japan (which is what's happening now) and Wii does good in Japan (now happening) then probably more Jap dev support (S-E, Namo, etc.)


I whole heartedly concur with this. Obviously it is personal opinion, but I really only care about Japanese developers and their franchises, to each their own but in my experiences Western developed games by and large only really seem to appeal to current trends/genres in gaming lacking any real staying power outside of niche groups in the long run.


I too would normally be worried but since the Wii doesn't have the technology to express game developers true imagination and creative talent, I wouldn't worry as much. As long as the PS3 does respectable across the world, Japanese developers will still make the big games for it. Look at Square Enix. If Nintendo had made the Wii even just a little less powerful than the 360, then Nintendo would own the whole world and there would be no 3rd party games for PS3/360. So as it stands now, Wii can sell all it wants but the technology used inside the console really does hurt any future prospects oh huge amazing games like FF13. I'm sure Square could bring FF14 to Wii, but why gives us a taste of heaven only to send us back to earth?


Interesting argument, Xiru. Can you please explain why platforms like the 3D0, CD-i, Neo Geo, and most important of all, the PC did not (or do not) see strong third party support despite the fact they were (or are) technological leaps and bounds ahead of their competition at the time?

If "fulfilling true imagination" is of such importance (if we can even agree that this argument has validity in the first place, which I'm not sure we can), why don't these developers abandon the inferior PS3 technology for high end PCs?



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mitsuhide said:
Soriku if you think the PS3 is sucking in Japan you need to be woken up look at the 360 420k in 1.5years thats a suck fest.Its only sucking compared to the Wii but that is half the price.
We keep kicking around the Wii BECAUSE no game has looked much better on it since last gen hopefull MP3 will change this perseption that the Wii cant do good graphics which it can aslong it doesnt go the way of the Gamecube and stop selling suddenly and then No dev company will push the hardware on it.I agree there were good looking games on the Gamecube but it was all too late(Pikmin being one of the ones that looked amazing).

The XBox 360's sales in Japan is not something you'd want to compare your console against as a demonstration of how 'good' it is doing; besides the original XBox no console has performed as poorly as the XBox 360 in Japan. Look at the following comparisons:

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS3&reg1=Japan&cons2=DC&reg2=Japan&cons3=SAT&reg3=Japan&align=1

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS3&reg1=Japan&cons2=N64&reg2=Japan&cons3=GC&reg3=Japan&align=1

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS3&reg1=Japan&cons2=PSP&reg2=Japan&cons3=PSP&reg3=Japan&align=1

 



I have Rogue Squadron II that was also a very good game and one of the few 3rd party titles i think it must have slipped my mind.



End of 2014 Hardware Predictions (03/03/14)

PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

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It is a poorly-constructed argument to say "Since the PS3 is outperforming the Xbox 360 in Japan, it is not sucking." An equivalent argument would be to say "Fish is outselling ground beef in the vegan community. Fish is doing wonderfully!"

You don't compare Product A to Product B as a marker of success if Product B has never performed well in the given region.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

As I've stated in another thread, at the store I work at (Gamestop) we have only sold two PS3s since the price drop. I don't call that momentum. Still selling Wiis like crazy and even the occasional 360 (especially the elite). It's like that at a few stores I know in town. Though, the local Fry's has had more success, to be fair.



Bodhesatva said:
Xiru said:
LeroyBrown said:
Soriku said:
Hey, I care about Japan sales most of all. Why? 'Cause if PS3 is sucking in Japan (which is what's happening now) and Wii does good in Japan (now happening) then probably more Jap dev support (S-E, Namo, etc.)


I whole heartedly concur with this. Obviously it is personal opinion, but I really only care about Japanese developers and their franchises, to each their own but in my experiences Western developed games by and large only really seem to appeal to current trends/genres in gaming lacking any real staying power outside of niche groups in the long run.


I too would normally be worried but since the Wii doesn't have the technology to express game developers true imagination and creative talent, I wouldn't worry as much. As long as the PS3 does respectable across the world, Japanese developers will still make the big games for it. Look at Square Enix. If Nintendo had made the Wii even just a little less powerful than the 360, then Nintendo would own the whole world and there would be no 3rd party games for PS3/360. So as it stands now, Wii can sell all it wants but the technology used inside the console really does hurt any future prospects oh huge amazing games like FF13. I'm sure Square could bring FF14 to Wii, but why gives us a taste of heaven only to send us back to earth?


Interesting argument, Xiru. Can you please explain why platforms like the 3D0, CD-i, Neo Geo, and most important of all, the PC did not (or do not) see strong third party support despite the fact they were (or are) technological leaps and bounds ahead of their competition at the time?

If "fulfilling true imagination" is of such importance (if we can even agree that this argument has validity in the first place, which I'm not sure we can), why don't these developers abandon the inferior PS3 technology for high end PCs?


It's all relative. Developers will always want higher power unless the install base isn't there.  Kojima even wanted to develop for PCs but the install base jus simply isn't there.  Sony gambled on the bluray but it's apparent the $500 thing isn't working very well at the moment.

 

But interestingly you mentioned a few 600+ systems, some which share commonalities with the PS3 

1. PCs will never go that far, too messy to setup, too prone to errors, too many configurations. I am a computer engineer and I still don't like dealing with all those blue screens.

2. Neo Geo, 200 dollar games and no attempt to make this mass market.

3. CD-i failed in that it was trying to be a 700 dollar Wii. All their edutainment, music games wasn't worth this price.

4. 3D0 is the closest parallel to the PS3. Even claiming they were more than a game machine. The only difference is their first party sucked, so a bunch of mediocre ports and crappy FMV games made it unappealing. 3D0 couldn't afford next-gen losses.  Sony at least benefit from Bluray licensing, selling HDTVs on this next-gen battle.

 

In the end, for a lot of people PS3's vast tech advantage isn't compelling enough when demonstrated.  It makes me sad that there's so much glee from people in seeing the PS3 fail. I thought we could make a big step up this gen, like moving from SNES to PS1. But it's apparent this generation is costing way too much. Nintendo took the smart route to let Sony and MS bleed money on this painful transition while they sit on last-gen technology and bank off of their huge franchises, most of which do not rely on hi-def visuals to sell their appeal.

But for me, for the games I want: JRPGs with next-gen graphics, it looks increasingly grim.  Tales won't be making a PS3 stop anytimes soon. Signups on the PS3 is slim, and only MS deep pockets can keep Japanese studios producing gorgeous JRPGs at a significant loss.  I'll enjoy WKS though knowing full well it may be the last for a long while.  I don't see why you all enjoy seeing PS3 fans squirm though. Sure some are rude, but I never wish for anything except for everyone to enjoy their games as much as possible. So spare some compassion at some of us who will have less and less in the future.

 



In all honesty, there are a handful of reasons people (including myself) tend to respond that way. There's one reason in particular that stands out.

Sony got, let's be honest, cocky.

The PlayStation 2 succeeded to an unheard-of degree. It was an amazing system, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar, a fool, or both. But when the PlayStation 3 was being produced, statements that made gamers cringe, like "$599.99", "will sell 6 million, even if there are no games", "may actually be too cheap", and "want players to work to earn this console" suddenly began springing up. Who is Sony to tell people how to enjoy themselves? How could they possibly be so bold as to suggest we were such sheep that we would buy into the PlayStation brand if there was nothing to use it with? This put a bad taste in the mouths of gamers everywhere.

I consider myself a generally level-headed gamer. I was originally interested in the PS3. The price was the first thing to turn me off, I don't have that kind of money to spend. But once I started hearing these... THINGS falling out of their mouths, I honestly can't see myself buying one, out of spite.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

Bodhesatva said:
Xiru said:
LeroyBrown said:
Soriku said:
Hey, I care about Japan sales most of all. Why? 'Cause if PS3 is sucking in Japan (which is what's happening now) and Wii does good in Japan (now happening) then probably more Jap dev support (S-E, Namo, etc.)


I whole heartedly concur with this. Obviously it is personal opinion, but I really only care about Japanese developers and their franchises, to each their own but in my experiences Western developed games by and large only really seem to appeal to current trends/genres in gaming lacking any real staying power outside of niche groups in the long run.


I too would normally be worried but since the Wii doesn't have the technology to express game developers true imagination and creative talent, I wouldn't worry as much. As long as the PS3 does respectable across the world, Japanese developers will still make the big games for it. Look at Square Enix. If Nintendo had made the Wii even just a little less powerful than the 360, then Nintendo would own the whole world and there would be no 3rd party games for PS3/360. So as it stands now, Wii can sell all it wants but the technology used inside the console really does hurt any future prospects oh huge amazing games like FF13. I'm sure Square could bring FF14 to Wii, but why gives us a taste of heaven only to send us back to earth?


Interesting argument, Xiru. Can you please explain why platforms like the 3D0, CD-i, Neo Geo, and most important of all, the PC did not (or do not) see strong third party support despite the fact they were (or are) technological leaps and bounds ahead of their competition at the time?

If "fulfilling true imagination" is of such importance (if we can even agree that this argument has validity in the first place, which I'm not sure we can), why don't these developers abandon the inferior PS3 technology for high end PCs?


Didn't I just tell you in another thread that the PS3 has sold twice as much as those consoles combined?

The PC has great third party support. It's a US market, though, but in the US it gets great support. The Mac gets decent support as well.

Xiru, welcome to the forum and please stick around. I completely agree with your assessment.