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Falcon095 said:
naraku2099 said:
Falcon095 said:
bobobologna said:
shams said:

Remember, that MS never really wanted HD-DVD to win. If they did, even 360 would have had one in it.

All they wanted, was to "delay" BluRays victory over HD-DVD - to make it even harder for it to become adopted as a standard.

Its just like this generation - its not about winning, its about neutralising Sony. They have done a pretty good job to date :P

 


So all those people who bought the HD-DVD add-on for the XBox360 were just part of Microsoft's plan to delay Bluray adoption?  And you guys LIKE Microsoft?

Well.. all those people who bought a PS3 were just part of Sony's plan to make Blu-Ray succesfull, so what's the point?

Lies. I bought a PS3 for games. Blu-Ray was just an (excellent) bonus.

 

So? I didn't say that people bought a PS3 just because of Blu-Ray, i said that everyone that bought a PS3 (it doesn't matter if it was because of games or movies) were just part of Sony's plan to make Blu-Ray succesful.

um, are you saying that Sony wanting blu ray to be successful is the same as Microsoft pushing hd dvd just so blu ray wouldn't be successful, or successful quickly?



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naraku2099 said:
Millennium said:
Honestly, I see it as more of a "next laserdisc" then "next UMD". It doesn't offer enough over the dominant format for most people to care (and for many to even perceive), and so it'll become a niche format for technophiles.

I think that's what they said about DVDs at first.

They did indeed, but DVD had several major advantages over VHS that Blu-Ray does not have over DVD. The movies were cheaper, the playback experience was a major improvement over the predecessor, (chapters, subtitles, languages, extras, etc. for the epic win), and, yes, the AV quality was improved. While Blu-Ray isn't a step back from DVD in anything other than price, the only real advantage it has over DVD is AV quality, and especially in terms of audio the jump isn't big enough for many people to care about.

Ultimately, I believe this will prevent Blu-Ray from overtaking DVD for the same reason Laserdisc failed to overtake VHS. Laserdisc actually had many of the experience-wise advantages over DVD that VHS does, but by itself that wasn't enough: the video quality wasn't much improved and the price was much worse. Blu-Ray has a similar problem: while its AV quality is higher, the experience isn't much improved and the price is, again, worse. Beta was similar, as was Minidisc. Of the three real advantages a media format can have over its predecessor, it doesn't seem like you can win with only one.



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flagship said:
It's rather funny how people are immediately defending BluRay with how different it is to UMD and completely forgetting about BetaMax.... Sony's proprietary superior formats have a very, very, very bad track record.

 

Yeah, like the CD...



makingmusic476 said:
flagship said:
It's rather funny how people are immediately defending BluRay with how different it is to UMD and completely forgetting about BetaMax.... Sony's proprietary superior formats have a very, very, very bad track record.

Yeah, like the CD...

The CD wasn't Sony's.



Complexity is not depth. Machismo is not maturity. Obsession is not dedication. Tedium is not challenge. Support gaming: support the Wii.

Be the ultimate ninja! Play Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN today! Poisson Village welcomes new players.

What do I hate about modern gaming? I hate tedium replacing challenge, complexity replacing depth, and domination replacing entertainment. I hate the outsourcing of mechanics to physics textbooks, art direction to photocopiers, and story to cheap Hollywood screenwriters. I hate the confusion of obsession with dedication, style with substance, new with gimmicky, old with obsolete, new with evolutionary, and old with time-tested.
There is much to hate about modern gaming. That is why I support the Wii.

See, comments like this are why I wouldn't touch Microsoft's stock with a ten foot pole. It's not just that they're clunky, unimaginative monopolists who foist overpriced bloatware on PC consumers, which I can forgive. It's that they're so $%^#ing petty and nasty - the sign of small, provincial minds.

BluRay is already a wild success, and going to be even more successful, as tons of movies get rolled out and prices drop to affordable levels, and HDTV is here to stay. So why is MS so hot under the collar? Microsoft has profit margins of 20% and rakes in $15 billion in pure profit each year. Why sneer at Sony? Why bash the Nintendo Wii? What's with these MS executives, do they have nothing better to do with their time than drink their own Koolaid?

There's only one conclusion: by bashing the deserved success of their competitors, they're really bashing us, the consumers. Because MS doesn't want to learn from their mistakes, or understand the workings of the media market. They're a fat, complacent, lazy and brainless monopoly, who think they know what consumers want better than we do ourselves. Until they start showing us consumers some respect, they will have zero chance of dislodging Sony and Nintendo at the top of the charts.



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The guy is a tool! I love it when he was on the Bonus Round and Geoff pwned his ass with questions about the Live service :P

Sorry but Blu Ray is here to stay.



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Millennium said:
makingmusic476 said:
flagship said:
It's rather funny how people are immediately defending BluRay with how different it is to UMD and completely forgetting about BetaMax.... Sony's proprietary superior formats have a very, very, very bad track record.

Yeah, like the CD...

The CD wasn't Sony's.

 

It was developed by Philips, Sony, and others, much like Blu-Ray was developed by Matsushita, Sony, and others.  Sony had a heavy hand in both, but by no means was the sole creator of either, which is my point.

Matsushita (Panasonic) holds more patents in Blu-Ray tech than Sony, actually.



cwbys21 said:
Falcon095 said:
naraku2099 said:
Falcon095 said:
bobobologna said:
shams said:

Remember, that MS never really wanted HD-DVD to win. If they did, even 360 would have had one in it.

All they wanted, was to "delay" BluRays victory over HD-DVD - to make it even harder for it to become adopted as a standard.

Its just like this generation - its not about winning, its about neutralising Sony. They have done a pretty good job to date :P

 


So all those people who bought the HD-DVD add-on for the XBox360 were just part of Microsoft's plan to delay Bluray adoption?  And you guys LIKE Microsoft?

Well.. all those people who bought a PS3 were just part of Sony's plan to make Blu-Ray succesfull, so what's the point?

Lies. I bought a PS3 for games. Blu-Ray was just an (excellent) bonus.

 

So? I didn't say that people bought a PS3 just because of Blu-Ray, i said that everyone that bought a PS3 (it doesn't matter if it was because of games or movies) were just part of Sony's plan to make Blu-Ray succesful.

um, are you saying that Sony wanting blu ray to be successful is the same as Microsoft pushing hd dvd just so blu ray wouldn't be successful, or successful quickly?

I'm saying that both were plan from the companies, bobobologna suggested that people should hate MS because they used the HD-DVD to delay the Blu-Ray adoption, so i if that the case people should hate Sony because they used the PS3 to make faster the Blu-Ray adoption.



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At least to me, there's a difference between a company releasing a product they know will fail and advocating its purchase than and one releasing a product and hoping that it'll succeed in whatever market it's in. Still, I don't consider it any worse than Sega releasing that 32X. I have like 4 games for it.