I don't think it's logical to say the PSP didn't get some customers that would have formerly bought the Nintendo hand held if there was no other option.

ckmlb said: I don't think it's logical to say the PSP didn't get some customers that would have formerly have bought the Nintendo hand held if there was no other option.

 It's completely ridiculous to claim otherwise, in fact. Does anyone believe that the PSP didn't steal a few customers from Nintendo? Literally 0, or even close to it?

Nintendo may end up selling more DSes than GBAs simply because the handheld pie got bigger, but their slice of that pie was reduced proportionately.   

z64dan said: Definitely a success. If someone released an operating system that took 20-30% of the market away from Windows, it would be a success right? Just look at who you are up against if you make a handheld. Nintendo have always been the kings of handheld.

What if that entity took 20-30% of the OS market, yet made little to no profit (maybe lost money) in doing so?  Who cares?

What if I built a piece of hardware and gave it out for free and 2 billion people took it.  Each one costed me 100 dollars to make.  I just lost 200,000,000,000 dollars, but since I have a market of 2 billion people, then I am a success story!  (EXAGGERATION TO MAKE A POINT)

 I like your logic!

 

PS.  Furthermore, what if out of those 2 billion people, on average, people only bought 1 game per system and played the rest of their games through illegal means, hardly negating the subsidization of the hardware.  This story isn't far from the PSPs.

 

Yeah the PSP sold 22 million consoles.  If you want to look at market share and pure hardware numbers, yes that is pretty respectable.

But, the ONLY reason why someone (esspecially developers) would look at hardware/market share figures is to look at POTENTIAL buyers.  If there's 20 million people with a console yet they aren't buying any games, then the negates any positive connotation the hardware sales can present.

 

You can't merely look at the market share or hardware sales that the PSP has.  There is much more you have to take into account.

ckmlb said: I don't think it's logical to say the PSP didn't get some customers that would have formerly bought the Nintendo hand held if there was no other option.

That isn't the question.  The question is, do you think Nintendo has offset (by a large,...no HUGE margain) the amount of customers they lost (to Sony) by bringing in new customers to the market?

daggy said: I think it's a big flop. Not only is PSP selling hardware unimpressively, but they also aren't getting much money from the software sales, which is pretty bad considering each PSP makes Sony lose money. I don't even believe they are going to profit anything from the PSP.

any link to back this up would be nice, I don't believe it's been losing money for awhile, and the redesign is absolutely gonna be cheaper than the current model, just like the PS2. @Joemanji, thanks, I'll need to look those up. If they get new UMDs on the market for 9.99 I think there will be a large increase in their sales. I see this as Sony's biggest mistake with the PSP, and don't worry Sony supported betamax for 23yrs, so UMDs will be fine. Also consider that the PSP appealed to some gamers that otherwise would not have a handheld, like me.

Avalach21 said: ckmlb said: I don't think it's logical to say the PSP didn't get some customers that would have formerly bought the Nintendo hand held if there was no other option. That isn't the question. The question is, do you think Nintendo has offset (by a large,...no HUGE margain) the amount of customers they lost (to Sony) by bringing in new customers to the market?

 That wasn't the question, the question is: Is the PSP a failure?

Also I want links that show Sony is losing money on PSPs sold. 

vizunary said: Biggerboat said: If the video output was for all models then I'd think it would have a bigger impact but as far as I'm aware it's just the Lite. Also whilst a nice feature I don't think it'll be a system seller and would again possibly have little effect on game sales. The thing I don't get about Sony making a more efficient model is that the've put in a less powerful battery meaning that even though it eats less power the new PSP will have just as short a play length per charge as before! Incredible decision! Maybe Sony will make some dough on media downloads but if that scene is anything like the gaming one on the system then most PSP owners will be getting their fix illegally. Who said that the battery wasn't gonna last longer or even as long in the new PSP? Please provide a link if you wish to talk straight from your ass, thanks.   It's not a failure if that's your argument. From the data that can be gathered on this website(I'm not gonna dig around, this topic is OLD and rehashed a few times over) the PSP, h/w wise, has outsold the following: Xbox GC N64(not sure, the number here is REAL low, is it right, anyone?) SNES(???) PS1 Saturn DC WS WSC GB(this can't be right, are some numbers missing or what???) Ngage Xbox360 and finally..... the Wii   I just got the numbers off the charts here, I'm sure some of them are wrong or whatever but you get the point. Also, with the "surge" of new wiiboys here, take a f&cking joke when you see one and don't bother flaming me. If anyone can clarify on a few of those numbers I'd appreciate it. The SNES, GB, and N64 numbers seem off, anyone know what's up? oh, and what's a WS and WSC? I can't think of it right now. dee dee dee

PSP HAS outsold the:

Gamecube (21.6 million)

Saturn (10 million)

Dreamcast (10.6 million)

Wonderswan and Wonderswan color (no idea, but obviously has...)

Ngage (obviously, again, no idea.)

Wii (of course)

Xbox 360 (of course)

 

oh yeah and what a surprise!  you forgot the PS3. 

 

PSP has NOT outsold the:

Xbox (24 million)

N64 (32.93 million)

SNES (49 million)

PS1 (102.49 million...?)(why did u even bother puting this on there...?)

Gameboy (69.42 million)

 

Again, I'd like to stress that mere hardware numbers do not indicate the success or failure of a console.

 

The low hardware and software sales coupled with the failure of UMD means that, when compared to certain people's expectations (Sony, Analyst, Publisher [EA], and fans) the PSP is a failure ...

In a more general sense you have to consider the PSP to be a moderate success though being that it has survived 2 years on the market, still has (reasonably) strong third party support, and has sold more systems than any non-Nintendo portable system ever has.

Avalach21 said: PSP HAS outsold the: Gamecube (21.6 million) Saturn (10 million) Dreamcast (10.6 million) Wonderswan and Wonderswan color (no idea, but obviously has...) Ngage (obviously, again, no idea.) Wii (of course) Xbox 360 (of course)   oh yeah and what a surprise! you forgot the PS3.   PSP has NOT outsold the: Xbox (24 million) N64 (32.93 million) SNES (49 million) PS1 (102.49 million...?)(why did u even bother puting this on there...?) Gameboy (69.42 million)   Again, I'd like to stress that mere hardware numbers do not indicate the success or failure of a console.

 The PSP will go on to outsell the Xbox and the N64.

 

HappySqurriel said: The low hardware and software sales coupled with the failure of UMD means that, when compared to certain people's expectations (Sony, Analyst, Publisher [EA], and fans) the PSP is a failure ...

 It sold more than many thought if I watch my words back from 2005 then I read that I said "it will sell around 30 million in 5 years of his existence.  What were the hardware sales of the Analysts?

 UMD is a failure strange that people think this could be a succes :s.