wow, i thought dragons quest was way way way bigger in japan than final fantasy, yet looking at the 'vgchartz japan totals' it seems there pretty much neck and neck. have i missed something?

I would absolutely recommend playing Eternal Darkness. It's on the GameCube, there have been off-and-on rumors about the possibility of a Wii sequel.

The general point of the game is that as you play, your Sanity (represented by a meter) can take damage, and as you slowly become more and more insane, the game itself changes. Blood spurts from the ceiling, healing potions instead eviscerate you (then return you to normal a short time later), the character shrinks, footsteps are heard from right behind you, mumbling in the distance, paintings and sculptures staring at you as you pass.

It's an experience, I'll tell you that. EXCELLENT fun in a group, in a dark room.

Well so much for Sony exclusives VS DQ.

EDIT: I noticed the FF Chart was generated with 1.8 mil as the minimum, instead of 0, I guess to look more accurate. So FF is alot closer to DQ than it looks.

If you think that way then do you expect SMG not to be good since Mario Sunshine wasn't as good as Mario 64?

That doesn't make any sense.... also SC III was released on 1 system versus 3 so sales were effected by that. I didn't know sales were the absolute reference of how good a game is...

Bottom line is you didn't say it wasn't as good as other SC games you said it was a dying franchise and generally dubbed it a crappy game, right after wanting it on your system before.

I think your intentions are clear. 

I thought the difference was much bigger than that....

That shows that DQ sells better than FF in Japan but not by a landslide by any means. 

 So evan the two lowest selling FFs out sale the highest selling DQ.

 So as far as sales two FF games > one DQ.

1. Not really, Everyone can agree Sunshine was an isolated incident in that it was the first main series Mario not worked on by Miyamoto. It's an outlier, not a rule by which to deduce a trend in future games especially when the uniqe set of circumstances that resulted in it are no longer the means by which the next game is to be made.

2. You're jumping all over the place here, calmn down. Soul Calibur 2 for the PS2 sold better than Soul Calibur 3 so your logic is debunked. And no one said sales were the absolute reference of how good a game is, but they are the closest thing we have to determining such or at the very least, the games success. You are the one who keeps insisting there is any means by witch to measure the subjective ideal of a game's absolute value, not I, please stop putting your words in other people's mouths in trying to derail their statements.

3. It was your assumption, not my words, that I was saying: "it was a crappy game". I never said such a thing, I've always thought the series stayed strong, but there is no denying the declining status of the franchise given its sales. Again, you jumping to conclusions and putting words in other people's mouths.

4. As is your paranoya and hyper-sensitivity to anything remotely anti-Sony. When I first came to this forum you were a cool and reserved advocate of logic and concise debating... Now you're reduced to this...

libellule your response method is a nightmare, could you at least put a space between the original text and your response?

I also don't know what the point of your response was either? "The same can be said for SH series?" Of course the same can be said for the SH series, in fact I did say the same thing for the SH series, its sales have been declining too, its obvious. Did you even fully read my response before jumping head long into this mess of a reply? My argument was not that SH just sucked and SC just had bad sales, it was that SH had declining quality in games and declining sales as oppossed to SC which just had declining sales.

I'm not sure what prejudice you're talking about either, SH fans everywhere including yourself agree SH2 was the best and it has been downhill in quality since then and facts show the sales have been dropping too. I'm not sure what fight you're talking about myself picking either but the only person here seemingly eager to go fist-a-cufs is yourself in trying to make a big deal out of essentially nothing in a very clearly misconstrewed interpretation of someone else's argument.

You're out of your element here Donney.

Heh, clever.

Anyway, most people just spout that DQ is so much more popular than FF in Japan because DQ doesn't sell as well anywhere else as it does in Japan.  In reality, there is not much difference between FF and DQ in Japan.

Name	Console	Publisher	Japan	America	Others	Total
	Dragon Quest VII	Enix	4.12	0.21	0.00	4.33
	Dragon Quest III	Enix	3.77	0.10	0.00	3.87
	Dragon Quest VIII	Enix	3.61	0.47	0.60	4.68
	Dragon Quest VI	Enix	3.19	0.00	0.00	3.19
	Dragon Quest IV	Enix	3.04	0.08	0.00	3.12
	Dragon Quest V	Enix	2.79	0.00	0.00	2.79
	Dragon Quest II	Enix	2.41	0.15	0.00	2.56

	Final Fantasy VII	Square	3.93	3.09	2.70	9.72
	Final Fantasy VIII	Square	3.64	2.34	1.88	7.86
	Final Fantasy X	Square	3.02	2.74	2.19	7.95
	Final Fantasy IX	Square	2.80	1.66	0.84	5.30
	Final Fantasy VI	Square	2.55	0.87	0.00	3.42
	Final Fantasy V	Square	2.45	0.00	0.00	2.45
	Final Fantasy XII	Square	2.42	1.68	0.84	4.94

Only a few hundred thousand difference on each one, except the third, which has a .6 million difference.

I'm curious how being on a handheld will make a difference.