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Also, McCain horrified me when he was talking about how Reagan is his role model. Reagan is responsible for a lot of whats going on in the economy right now. Reagan is responsible for removing measures that were put in place to prevent banks from doing exactly what they have done now.

The other thing that scares me about him is more personal. He acts exactly like this extremely corrupt man in the upper management when I worked for the Department of Defense. I definitely do not trust him.



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theprof00 said:
The 5000$ tax credit is ridiculous.
Because
1)takes money away from the government, which is desperately needed.
2) Here's 5000, now you are on your own.
3) For someone like me, who is employed 20 hours a week, i might see 400 dollars of that 5000$
4)This plan once again stands to benefit people that make more money
5) Tax credits are NOT the answer!!!!

1) Different from Obama's plans how?

2) That's better then "Your forced to buy healthcare, now you're on your own."  Aside from that his other part of the plan is... you guessed it Healthcare tax credits. 

Also along with that he suggests that the state governments adopt non-profit healthcare plans that cover everyone in there states.  Making it much more efficent and tailored to the specific states then a giant unwieldy national plan. 

He also has many initatives set up to make healthcare costs go down.

3)  Why would you assume the healthcare tax credit gets higher the more money you make? That seems... stupid.

4) How?

5) Why?



Moongoddess256 said:
Also, McCain horrified me when he was talking about how Reagan is his role model. Reagan is responsible for a lot of whats going on in the economy right now. Reagan is responsible for removing measures that were put in place to prevent banks from doing exactly what they have done now.

The other thing that scares me about him is more personal. He acts exactly like this extremely corrupt man in the upper management when I worked for the Department of Defense. I definitely do not trust him.

Reagan.... and Clinton.

 



What does Clinton have to do with anything? I just can't believe he'd be sitting there idolizing someone who had some part in the crisis we are in the middle of right now.



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Moongoddess256 said:
What does Clinton have to do with anything? I just can't believe he'd be sitting there idolizing someone who had some part in the crisis we are in the middle of right now.

Just about every politician has had a part in the crisis we are in the middle of right now.  Including McCain and Obama.

So unless Obama hasn't looked up to any politician... you know he's still partially to blame.  Making it kinda pointless.  If he talked about how he idolized his economic policy and wants to reinact the reagan policy...you'd have a point.

 



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Is there anywhere I can see the bab barr commentary now that it's over? I'd be very interested in watching it.



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I'm a fiscal centrist. I really think that things have gone way too far deregulated and we need someone like Obama who is a pretty hardcore fiscal conservative to balance out our very unbalanced economy.

If McCain were to handle the economy Reagan style things will be made much worse in the long run.



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Moongoddess256 said:
I'm a fiscal centrist. I really think that things have gone way too far deregulated and we need someone like Obama who is a pretty hardcore fiscal conservative to balance out our very unbalanced economy.

If McCain were to handle the economy Reagan style things will be made much worse in the long run.

How is Obama a fiscal conservative?

Obama is the exact opposite of a fiscal conservative

Fiscal conservatives are about low government spending and a low federal debt, lower taxes and stricter earmarks.

Obama is for higher government spending, keeping earmarks as they are and tax cuts for some tax raises for others that would lead to a higher national debt.



Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
The 5000$ tax credit is ridiculous.
Because
1)takes money away from the government, which is desperately needed.
2) Here's 5000, now you are on your own.
3) For someone like me, who is employed 20 hours a week, i might see 400 dollars of that 5000$
4)This plan once again stands to benefit people that make more money
5) Tax credits are NOT the answer!!!!

1) Different from Obama's plans how?

2) That's better then "Your forced to buy healthcare, now you're on your own."  Aside from that his other part of the plan is... you guessed it Healthcare tax credits. 

Also along with that he suggests that the state governments adopt non-profit healthcare plans that cover everyone in there states.  Making it much more efficent and tailored to the specific states then a giant unwieldy national plan. 

He also has many initatives set up to make healthcare costs go down.

3)  Why would you assume the healthcare tax credit gets higher the more money you make? That seems... stupid.

4) How?

5) Why?

So let me get this straight. McCain is for keeping rich people's tax low, and then lowering everyone elses tax credit by 5000$? That is the difference. Much less federal tax income. The health plan needs to change but America needs to recoup its debt through taxes ASAP.

It's the same throughout the McCain campaign. Give away money, that will work. Gas credits, health credits, heating credits, dependant child credits. Doesn't anyone realize how much the gov is going to lose? This is the opposite of what we need.

Obamas plan is not "you are on your own" it establishes a basic healthcare level for each and every american.

I don't assume credit will get higher but listen and understand:

If I make 8k a year then my taxes are nil,

If I make 15k a year I pay out about 500 in taxes

If I make 25k a year I pay out about 1200

as you can see, at what I make, 15k, I cannot afford healthcare on my own, and my credit is a tenth of what I am supposed to get. like i said i have blue cross but if i didn't i would be in trouble because 500$=not enough.

If you are asking "How does it benefit people with more money?" then here you go.

At the point where I am actually owing 5k in taxes, after credits and exemptions, I'm probably making 50k as a single person. I did a tax calculator. That figure of 50k is even when i did not put in any examptions.

Giving money to people is not the answer. They thought it was the answer with the last tax credit and it wasn't. It is not money that people need. They need changes to be made.

Repossessing should not be the ultimate goal of a bank. It is a threat. This is the kind of economic society we have. One where greed overcomes logic.

 



The_vagabond7 said:
Is there anywhere I can see the bab barr commentary now that it's over? I'd be very interested in watching it.

 

^ Cutting taxes and giving people their money back would be a great idea. The problem with McCain and the GOP, however, is that they no longer recognize the need for corresponding spending cuts. 

They do not have the video up as of yet, but "Reason.com," the site that funded the Barr event, does have a verbatim live blog of Barr's commentary and short Q&A.

http://reason.com/blog/show/129078.html