What's with the purple font? Is that a signature style of yours?

Anyways, I'm glad to see that you might end up getting a PS3 and VC. I'm not trying to be brash, but I want to recommend Lost Odyssey above the others .

Best of their time though? That's quite the understatement. You still missed the point though. I was clearly referring to the fact that people are still enjoying these games even today even though they were made quite a while ago. I'm not talking about the enjoyment people had with the games when they first came out. And I was also talking about player reception rather than review scores. And when you refer to nostalgia, I'm sure that Tales of Vesperia shares at least a small chunk of its battle system and animation with the other games in the Tales series, so reviewers who have nostalgic feelings from earlier Tales games may be more fond towards ToV than they otherwise would be. Besides, out of the 5 DS JRPGs I was referring to, only 1 of them is a port (Final Fantasy IV).

By the way, Mrstickball might not have made it 100% clear, but it was close to that. Let me quote his original statement:

"Tales is the #1 rated JRPG this entire generation, beating out the closest competitor, Disgaea 3 by a comfortable margin."

So it's unlikely that he was referring to player reception, since it would be pretty difficult for him to know. Besides that, he mentions Disgaea 3 which is a different style of RPG on a different system. There likely aren't many people who own bought Disgaea 3 and Tales of Vesperia, especially considering that neither game sold spectacularly.

Yeah. I think the purple font makes my posts a little more noticable sometimes.

If your talking about player reception, its a bit hard to understand who has had better reception when it comes to games like these on such different systems(and in some cases, original time periods.) The 360s install base is 4 times less then the DS, but at the same time the DS games are handheld in quality, some are almost direct ports(Chrono Trigger), some are refreshed games(Final Fantasy 3,4) and fit the DS in style. To me its almost like comparing apples to oranges when it comes to gamer reception, so my arguments on this is gonna be pretty weak. 

The problem with vesperia is that it  isn't from a line of games that changed the genre like Final Fantasy or Chrono trigger, and Vesperia itself isn't as huge a leap in games as FF4 or Chrono trigger were. None of the games were truly exceptional for their time(except Phantasia, argueably).  The nostalgic feeling may be there to a degree, but even I found it so different from other Tales games that the only real blasts from the past for me while playing were extremely small things like the spirits quest from symphonia and the cameo battles. 

If stickball was talking about actual scores, then he got mixed up bad. I guess its a bit hard to tell exactly what he meant by that, but you did interpret it the way most people would, so i can't blame you for that.

Montana, I'm sorry stickball offended you by insulting Disgaea 3. D3 is a fantastic game. I've actually played a large chunk of it.

However, you shouldn't take it out on his game. If you'd played ToV, you would probably believe(as most others that have played it do) that it's the best jrpg this gen, on any console(even the DS). Better than FFIV, better than TWEWY, better than LO. Now, that certainly is an opinion, and if someone wants to refute it, that's fine(anyone who has played ToV probably wont).

However, insinuating that ToV is somehow mediocre or not absolutely great(which I don't think you've done, but just in case), is just talking trash. If you played it, you would be convinced.

My take: It's not just the best jrpg on the 360 by a huge margin imo, I'd actually rank it as the 3rd best jrpg on the PS2 were it on that console. It's without a doubt the best Tales game. Period. Gamespot also stated as much in their glowing review. All you need do is read a couple of reviews, or just go to gametrailers to get a better look. LO sucks compared to ToV, lol, not even close games. One of them is above average and the other one is the best Tales game yet released and one of the best jrpgs.

Now, there has been tons of discussion on the subject in other topics, and right here I couldn't even breach the topic, but I will give you my conclusion about gamerankings:

You can't tell if a game is better or worse than another, comparatively, simply by going by the review scores on gamerankings. You need to keep in mind the time of release, the text in said reviews, the number of reviews, and many other factors. What is a far better indication of a niche game like this, or Disgaea 3, is to go to the gamefaqs message board and read the userreviews.

As for Tales of Vesperia. It's probably the best user-reviewed game this generation(by user reviews, not polls). Go to those message boards and ask how good the game is, and then go to LO and ask them how good it is. You'll get your answer then. I can tell you, ToV is gonna win by a mile.

Now I can present to you proof that you can't always go by average reviews, which you already know, but you just inadvertantly used them in responding to another user which also used them:

	Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice PlayStation 3 Game by NIS     IGN Score: 6.7 Get Email Alerts Add to Wishlist Add to Collection Playing Now Links: Blogs Boards FAQs Cheats Reviews Previews News Features Images Videos

Bullshite! What retarded monkey did they let review that game!?

Now, I wish we could all know if a game is great or bad, just by pulling up a page and looking at a number. It's convinient and easy to use in arguments. However, in the end it is a bullcrap and meaningless number, dominated by far too many X factors to be of any importance.

OT:

The game I recommend is Tales of Vesperia. It's the best jrpg on the 360 by lightyears, and one of my favorite jrpgs of all time. I've played nearly every jrpg on the PS2 to completion, and every one on the 360. I've also played every jrpg on the DS, and I feel that ToV is better than FFIV, and it's also better than TWEWY, even though they were both great games. The two best srpgs this gen are Disgaea 3 and Radiant Dawn. I've completed most of D3, and all of RD. I've got a 92 hour game save on ToV and just started a new game plus, and a 32 hours end game save on Lost Odyssey.

The worst jrpg I've played this gen, is probably the vastly over-rated Eternal Sonata. It's shallow and contains no character development. If we're talking in a time frame of "next gen" Persona 3 FES challenges ToV as the best game, and is my personal 3rd best jrpg on the PS2. If ToV was on PS2, imho, FES would fall to fourth.

Here is a fair and accurate non-fanboy review of the game that I suggest potential purchasers glance over before deciding.

I hope you are happy with whichever game you choose.

Agh! I can only handle one wall of text at once! Really Zen, I wasn't insulting either game. I was just pointing out that there were games this generation with better review scores than Tales of Vesperia, and I was arguing on the same platform that Stickball was using (average review scores). Heck, why not bother him about it too? You can push personal opinion as much as you want, but it doesn't make it true.

Oh, I'ma cookin' somethin' up, lol.

No, don't!

LMAO!!!

lol, I'm done dude. Didn't mean to flame you if that's how it seemed, lol, I'm just a bit of a Vesperia fanboy. Great game man, really good. I get all fidgity when I feel it is threatened, lol.

Being a Vesperia fanboy isn't like being a console fanboy; being a vesperia fanboy is a good thing! 

 My personal best game this generation. I just listened to its soundtrack again and it already brings back memories. I realllly hope they make a direct sequel. If any Tales game deserves it, its Vesperia by 100 miles.

Gah! I want to play it right now but my 360 is away getting repaired... 

My personal choice would be Tales of Vesperia.

Though I may actually get LO first :^)

if u have a pc try the witcher very good game