I want to get an RPG but which one?

[Shadowblind]

MontanaHatchet said:

Shadowblind said:

MontanaHatchet said:

Shadowblind said:

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mrstickball said:
Tales is the #1 rated JRPG this entire generation, beating out the closest competitor, Disgaea 3 by a comfortable margin.

Having said that, it really depends on what you want for a RPG. If you want action-based, try Oblivion, Mass Effect or Tales of Vesperia.

If you want slower, turnbased gaming, try Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon.

There are 5 RPGs on the DS that have a better score on Gamerankings than Tales. I don't think there's really any dispute that the DS is part of this generation, so it beats the 360 by a comfortable margin in the JRPG category. But thanks for bringing up a PS3 game which was COMPLETELY UNRELATED. If you want to bring up PS3 games, Valkyria Chronicles could give Tales a run for its money. And I really have no idea why you recommended western RPGs...

Go with Lost Odyssey.

 

Really? You've played Valkyria Chronicles? Tell me about it. I want to know more about the gameplay specifically.

In overall quality, Tales is indeed the best so far this gen. The DS has great RPGs for a HANDHELD. If the DS JRPGs were ported with a bigger & better battle system with better graphics to a HOME console, then yes they may give Tales a run for its money. As of now, no, they don't.

 

Its like people can't even look at the big picture anymore. We're talking OVERALL best JRPG, not best HANDHELD JRPG.(Yes I have played TWEWY.)

 

I'm talking about reviews. VC only has 1 review, but it's from RPG Gamer, and it's only one percentage point lower than the score for Tales of Vesperia. Strategy RPGs often get good reviews, so I see no reason why the score for VC won't be at least close to Tales. Perhaps I should have specified reviews but I thought it was pretty obvious. I don't know why you're so eager to know about VC, unless you have a PS3 (you don't let it on though).

As for handhelds vs. consoles, an RPG's quality is not defined by the size of the screen or the graphics. The SNES has some of the best RPGs of all time (Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 6) and people still enjoy those games despite them having 2D, outdated graphics. And since when was I talking about an RPG's quality as opinion? Mrstickball was talking about review scores, and I refuted that there were several RPGs on the DS that had better scores. Even when you ignore that, I reiterate that an RPG's quality is not dependent on the system. Hell, I thoroughly enjoyed the Golden Sun games because of the puzzles and the battle system, not the size of the screen or the graphics.

But when you ignore the fact that the discussion was about review scores and try to push your personal opinion into the discussion, you have a pretty decent argument.

 

Oh, reviews for VC. Why would i be eager? because someday in my life, I do plan on getting a PS3, and I like JRPGs. And VC has my favorite style of graphics on any game. The same way some 360 owners are eager for LBP and WKC. not everyone is a fanboy and hates everything not on their favorite system.

Not quite. Some of the best JRPGs like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 were the best of their time, in both graphics and "screen size". Also, they are the best on the SYSTEM, so obviously they will be getting higher reviews. Even then, many of the ports of old RPGs to DS have a huge nostalgic value amount hardcore gamers. 

I don't think stickball was talking about review scores. I don't think he meant Tales is #1 rated literally. I thought that was pretty obvious.

 

 

What's with the purple font? Is that a signature style of yours?

Anyways, I'm glad to see that you might end up getting a PS3 and VC. I'm not trying to be brash, but I want to recommend Lost Odyssey above the others .

Best of their time though? That's quite the understatement. You still missed the point though. I was clearly referring to the fact that people are still enjoying these games even today even though they were made quite a while ago. I'm not talking about the enjoyment people had with the games when they first came out. And I was also talking about player reception rather than review scores. And when you refer to nostalgia, I'm sure that Tales of Vesperia shares at least a small chunk of its battle system and animation with the other games in the Tales series, so reviewers who have nostalgic feelings from earlier Tales games may be more fond towards ToV than they otherwise would be. Besides, out of the 5 DS JRPGs I was referring to, only 1 of them is a port (Final Fantasy IV).

By the way, Mrstickball might not have made it 100% clear, but it was close to that. Let me quote his original statement:

"Tales is the #1 rated JRPG this entire generation, beating out the closest competitor, Disgaea 3 by a comfortable margin."

So it's unlikely that he was referring to player reception, since it would be pretty difficult for him to know. Besides that, he mentions Disgaea 3 which is a different style of RPG on a different system. There likely aren't many people who own bought Disgaea 3 and Tales of Vesperia, especially considering that neither game sold spectacularly.

 

Yeah. I think the purple font makes my posts a little more noticable sometimes.

If your talking about player reception, its a bit hard to understand who has had better reception when it comes to games like these on such different systems(and in some cases, original time periods.) The 360s install base is 4 times less then the DS, but at the same time the DS games are handheld in quality, some are almost direct ports(Chrono Trigger), some are refreshed games(Final Fantasy 3,4) and fit the DS in style. To me its almost like comparing apples to oranges when it comes to gamer reception, so my arguments on this is gonna be pretty weak. 

The problem with vesperia is that it  isn't from a line of games that changed the genre like Final Fantasy or Chrono trigger, and Vesperia itself isn't as huge a leap in games as FF4 or Chrono trigger were. None of the games were truly exceptional for their time(except Phantasia, argueably).  The nostalgic feeling may be there to a degree, but even I found it so different from other Tales games that the only real blasts from the past for me while playing were extremely small things like the spirits quest from symphonia and the cameo battles. 

 

If stickball was talking about actual scores, then he got mixed up bad. I guess its a bit hard to tell exactly what he meant by that, but you did interpret it the way most people would, so i can't blame you for that.