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bigjon on 24 September 2008
theprof00 said:
big jon use factcheck.org for god's sake!
(erm i was er just mocking you tone fyii)
the second i is for igloo :P

ot:also it seems like everything you say is wrong. that's kind of a generalization, but you start out well, and then finish with something that never happened, and i'm too tired to prove it. GNIGHT America! God Save Us All!!!

 

 man you are clever. I cannot believe the wit here... you just copied exactly what I said in an attempt to prove a point AND make me look stupid. Epic Win for the professor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You really need to state what I said was wrong before you tell me to look it up. And just because what I say does not line up with what you think is right... does not mean I am wrong.  (to make it clear- I am saying you... MIGHT... be wrong)

however i know i am fallable and might be wrong on occasion, i just wish you understood that about yourself.

Besides? most of what I am saying is my opinions, and most people here realize that... so how I am gonna look it up on factcheck? Also did you notice I quoted the congressional record? Do I need to fact check that? Just check there prof.

 

 

 



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bigjon on 24 September 2008
akuma587 said:
bigjon said:
 

yea, why don't you mention that Bubba signed that baby into law... no,no, no, it was all mccain. And by the way the man who was the head of treasury at that time said there was no correlation between that law and the current economic troubles. Also he was a democrat (I am just applying your Carl Rove logic).

 

I agree in the sense that it really doesn't matter anyways who caused the problem, as both parties had a substantial hand in it.  Republicans may have had a slightly larger hand for the sole reason that they controlled Congress for a pretty long period of time.  Clinton did sign the deregulation into law.

Hindsight is 20/20, so it is hard to blame either party for something that wasn't entirely foreseeable.  Republicans had a majority in Congress too when McCain couldn't re-regulate (sounds so weird), so the Republican party didn't warm up to the idea either.

I just don't think McCain suspending his campaign is going to do any good for the American public, and may even cause more harm than good by turning this into a political battle.  I think it is a politically calculated move more than anything.  I think McCain is a good guy, but the intentions behind suspending his campaign are mixed at best.

 

 

I agree with you completely. Even the part about Mccain not running a perfect campaign. I hate partison politics. I am not a republican I am just a finance guy, and I am a major fiscal conservative. I wish we would have just listen to Washinton and not gone with the 2 party system.

I also think most of the stuff they can't settle in the House should be sent to the states for Referandum(spelling?)... That would be a major step from a republic and towards democracy.

I just get frustrated when people don't see the problems with Obama too.

 



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The Ghost of RubangB on 24 September 2008

The words you seek are Partisan with an A and Referendum with an E.

If you don't have a spellczecher in your browser, might I suggest www.dictionary.com ?



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akuma587 on 24 September 2008

Our economy is pretty much just a big mess, period, and there is nothing Congress, McCain, or Obama can do that will change it. Congress is probably making it an even bigger mess now. I am not saying that I think McCain and Obama would do an equally good job in office handling the economy, I am just saying that the economy is going down the shitter no matter what we do.

We are just going to have to ride it out because people are already in panic mode, and people on Wall Street have the heebie jeebies. Expect Congress to do something, but don't expect it to be something that will make that much of a difference. We have to go into a recession to get the bad blood out of the economy. Its just how the economic cycle works.



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madskillz on 24 September 2008
bigjon said:
akuma587 said:
Even McCain was getting sick of the Jeremiah Wright stuff. He tried to stop ads from being run about it by private groups.

Obama was pretty browbeated by the media during the primaries, so they just ran out of stuff to blow out of proportion. Palin got so much criticism because her political record is pretty thin, no other reason. Republicans who cried foul on sexism claims would have played the sexism card so bad if Hillary would have been the nominee.

 

So now we are going to talk about playing cards? Lets talk about how Obama is trying to play the racism card. I like that one. The only problem is that it is only the democrats even mentioning it. Obama himself won't shut up about it. He keeps saying crap like "there gonna try and scare you and I don't look like the guys on the currency". I have heard quotes of a least 5 democrats pulling the racist card.. but the Republicans have not even mentioned it.

Who care what happened in the primaries, maybe the Media outlets thought Hilary was better, but once she lost they moved over to Obamawagon. There was a poll recently that said 70(or 75)% of people thought that the media was advocating a certain canidate, and 80% of those said they thought it was Obama. So that leaves us with a vast majority of people believing the media is trying to get Obama elected. I am too tired and lazy to find the link... but it does exist.

Man, factcheck.org is your friend.

Oh, the GOP played the race card alright. Look at pics of the GOP convention. 36 blacks were in attendance. They have given up on blacks and aren't even courting them. Look at the Dems. They have no need to play a race card. For what? McCain's Rezko ad and the Raines ad are racist - and watch, you'll see Obama - white woman in an ad. They are trying to tie a black man with - gasp - a white woman. Sadly, that's still taboo in today's society.

And what about the measures targeting minorities in Mich. with the foreclosure lists? And in Va., they are trying to make it so college kids have to go to their homes and vote. In most states, you are required to give proof of residence. It's not like they are gonna vote twice.

The GOP is all about winning - by any means necessary. They have always played games on minorities (show up and vote Wednesday if it rains) and caging.

McCain is sliding fast and needs to take a breather. I liken it to a boxer that's very winded that constantly grabs his opponent and momentarily stops the fight.

I am calling it like I see it. The media is reporting equally. Just face facts - if Obama makes a mistake, the GOP will let you know. Remember the bitter comment? He learns.

What really showed me McCain was doomed was when George Wills, conservative columnist for the Wash Post, said McCain is not ready to be president. He did hit Obama but said he could learn the tasks quickly. But he expressed real doubts about McCain.

And mind you, this is a conservative guy, not a lib.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will092308.php3

Again, check out factcheck.org and type whatever you wanna know before spewing rumors. Thanks.

 



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akuma587 on 24 September 2008
bigjon said:
Aiemond said:

Its not a win win though. People see through it as a political stunt. To get cought doing one in such a crisis is political suicide. And how is he going to do his job? It becomes a media circus and he is just gonna go in and try and push the bill through so he looks like a hero. Anyways, even Karl Rove on the O'riley factor said this was political suicide.

 

 

Since when do you guys take everything Karl Rove says for gospel? I thought he was like the next closest thing to satin... or something like that...

I think there is a chance it could backfire. But, I honestly think it is more him showing he can take iniative and such.

Also you say mccain would have no affect on the Bill? Well there are only 100 senators, make that 99 because Obama says he can multitask.. So there are 99 senators, McCain is, and has been for years a major voice of the Senate. He is seen as a centrist and in the past has worked boths sides of the aisle. I think McCain can do some good being there, I can see where Obama is coming from, he knows his presence would be worthless too.... Heck why do we need senators according to you all, appartly we elect them as potential canidates for pres now. Last I checked they pretty much run the country, and the President just signs what they give him.

 

For how much of a dishonest, scorched-earth politics kind of guy Rove is, he is a brilliant man who has a lot of political insight.  He understands politics and how to manipulate the American people better than just about anyone in the history of our country.  Hell, he convinced the American public that Bush is mentally competent, TWICE.  That in itself deserves a medal.

Though he did call it wrong when he didn't predict too bad of losses for the Republicans last congressional season, but that was probably the power of being in the White House going to his head.

Rove = evil, but Rove = brilliant as well.

 



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Aiemond on 24 September 2008
akuma587 said:
bigjon said:
Aiemond said:

Its not a win win though. People see through it as a political stunt. To get cought doing one in such a crisis is political suicide. And how is he going to do his job? It becomes a media circus and he is just gonna go in and try and push the bill through so he looks like a hero. Anyways, even Karl Rove on the O'riley factor said this was political suicide.

 

 

Since when do you guys take everything Karl Rove says for gospel? I thought he was like the next closest thing to satin... or something like that...

I think there is a chance it could backfire. But, I honestly think it is more him showing he can take iniative and such.

Also you say mccain would have no affect on the Bill? Well there are only 100 senators, make that 99 because Obama says he can multitask.. So there are 99 senators, McCain is, and has been for years a major voice of the Senate. He is seen as a centrist and in the past has worked boths sides of the aisle. I think McCain can do some good being there, I can see where Obama is coming from, he knows his presence would be worthless too.... Heck why do we need senators according to you all, appartly we elect them as potential canidates for pres now. Last I checked they pretty much run the country, and the President just signs what they give him.

 

For how much of a dishonest, scorched-earth politics kind of guy Rove is, he is a brilliant man who has a lot of political insight. He understands politics and how to manipulate the American people better than just about anyone in the history of our country. Hell, he convinced the American public that Bush is mentally competent, TWICE. That in itself deserves a medal.

Though he did call it wrong when he didn't predict too bad of losses for the Republicans last congressional season, but that was probably the power of being in the White House going to his head.

Rove = evil, but Rove = brilliant as well.

 

Wasn't he still advising bush in the white house at that point? he may have been putting on spin. Also, I believe earlier Rove said Palin was a bad choice as well and we see how its affecting the numbers since the charm wore off.

 



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halogamer1989 on 25 September 2008

Hey guys--news flash!!!! I will still be at the HQ this week and canvassing thereafter on Sat!!!! McCain is working to make this bill sufficient before next week's deadline of a potential tanking economy. Look at my sig for Pete's sake!!! I should know!!!



Aiemond on 25 September 2008

How's he gonna help though? He said the economy is his weak point, he said the fundamentals are strong not that long ago, he has not been in the middle of the discussion (its like joining a conversation not knowing exactly whats going on). Plus, he is going to turn this into presidential politics. I can't see how he is going to help any more by going there than by doing the debate. Also shifty since the new polls came out and obama made major gains. Less than one point in VA too according to real clear politics :)



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akuma587 on 25 September 2008
Aiemond said:
akuma587 said:

For how much of a dishonest, scorched-earth politics kind of guy Rove is, he is a brilliant man who has a lot of political insight. He understands politics and how to manipulate the American people better than just about anyone in the history of our country. Hell, he convinced the American public that Bush is mentally competent, TWICE. That in itself deserves a medal.

Though he did call it wrong when he didn't predict too bad of losses for the Republicans last congressional season, but that was probably the power of being in the White House going to his head.

Rove = evil, but Rove = brilliant as well.

 

Wasn't he still advising bush in the white house at that point? he may have been putting on spin. Also, I believe earlier Rove said Palin was a bad choice as well and we see how its affecting the numbers since the charm wore off.

 

Yes, he was still advising Bush at that point.  And no, Rove and the Bush Administration were hung by Rove's "politics first, policy later" kind of attitude which he brought into the White House.  Rove was totally caught with his pants down when the Republicans took a beating in the mid-term elections.  He thought he was going to establish a new Republican legacy that would last for 20-40 years.  He was pretty embarassed when he saw what happened.

He just didn't realize that people could see through how badly they botched the Katrina incident, the federal wiretappings, the Guantonomo Bays, etc.  You can only fool the public for so long, and the second-term is usually when the public turns against you.

And you should never underestimate how much power he had in the adminstration.  There are several people on record who said that it wasn't a "real meeting" in the White House if Karl Rove wasn't there. 

I saw an interview where Rove said Palin was good, so I don't really know about the second question.

 

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson