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akuma587 on 25 September 2008
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Aiemond said:
akuma587 said:

For how much of a dishonest, scorched-earth politics kind of guy Rove is, he is a brilliant man who has a lot of political insight. He understands politics and how to manipulate the American people better than just about anyone in the history of our country. Hell, he convinced the American public that Bush is mentally competent, TWICE. That in itself deserves a medal.

Though he did call it wrong when he didn't predict too bad of losses for the Republicans last congressional season, but that was probably the power of being in the White House going to his head.

Rove = evil, but Rove = brilliant as well.

 

Wasn't he still advising bush in the white house at that point? he may have been putting on spin. Also, I believe earlier Rove said Palin was a bad choice as well and we see how its affecting the numbers since the charm wore off.

 

Yes, he was still advising Bush at that point.  And no, Rove and the Bush Administration were hung by Rove's "politics first, policy later" kind of attitude which he brought into the White House.  Rove was totally caught with his pants down when the Republicans took a beating in the mid-term elections.  He thought he was going to establish a new Republican legacy that would last for 20-40 years.  He was pretty embarassed when he saw what happened.

He just didn't realize that people could see through how badly they botched the Katrina incident, the federal wiretappings, the Guantonomo Bays, etc.  You can only fool the public for so long, and the second-term is usually when the public turns against you.

And you should never underestimate how much power he had in the adminstration.  There are several people on record who said that it wasn't a "real meeting" in the White House if Karl Rove wasn't there. 

I saw an interview where Rove said Palin was good, so I don't really know about the second question.

 

 



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