oh that's right it was the exit polls that said he won popular vote. Still was a very close race despite the Ohio, Florida controversy.

HAH
I actually think Edwards did a lot for his image if I remember correctly.

QFT - And we should know...we have to read drivel from both sides of the political(stupidity) spectrum as mods. When these debates get going both sides seem to ignore basic reason and instead tend to argue from bigoted indignation. Often times ignoring the gigantic piece of common ground that ends up serving as "the elephant in the room".  And when the absurdities get pointed out on either side they reply with a "that's politics" before returning to their slogans of "no more politics as usual".

Luckily Montana has been doing a great job lately policing this stuff and getting to it before me (/thumbs up), I truly appreciate not having to get my stress levels up when I typically come to the site to relax =P Thanks Montana!

I don't know why anti-Palin gets grouped with ultra-liberals though...there's even the most conservative Republicans who agree that Palin is way inexperienced.

Hey, I'm in the "let's rip on Palin" line... I can't stand her. I respect the woman but I hate her stance on most issues, especially social ones.

What I'm talking about are some of the ridiculous accusations and discussions that go on around her. If people want to discuss her policy (what policy she has, that is), I'm all for it. That rarely happens, though. Almost every thread about here turned into a shitstorm and people were creating 4-5 a day for a few weeks.

Yeah, i mean I don't agree with her on any issue that I can think of.  However the closest thing i've seen to an actual debate on her as a candidate is "John McCain picked her only to get womens vote"

Which isn't even true since she had the backing of a lot of prominent conservatives in the VP race like Newt Gingrich.  She didn't come out of nowhere.... she just wasn't covered by the media because she was on the "second tier" of VP candidates.

Actual political debate is a good thing, not stuff about like... people faking pregnancies to assassanate the pope on hitlers birthday.

I stopped talking in political threads, avoiding reading most of them entirely now. I'm socially liberal, economically conservative, but disagree with international isolationism, and I'm banging my head into a wall any time I read these topics. I accidentally fell in here, but I just read this last page. Looks like I've saved myself quite a headache. In general the ignorance is astounding (there are a few that know what they are talking about, and are quite reasonable, very few). The majority however are bickering ignoramouses. Bigjon makes me want to beat a horse to death with a lead pipe, and the ignorant drivel on McCain being Bush Jr. is just stupid. But for the most part these topics are no better than the fanboy wars, just replace Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo with Palin/McCain/Obama. It's really frustrating.

Here vagabond. You're in need of some levity

thanks stof. That helps a little. Ah, dave.

We just need a constant webcam streaming of bigjon locked and chained up in a room, and if any of us is in a bad mood we can post in the thread and he will get shocked for 5 seconds. I think that would solve a lot of problems.