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I am surprised that their are so many PS3 fanboys still in the denial stage. The PS3 isn't going to finish first. Their is nothing wrong with preferring on console over another but their is something with making yourself look foolish by clinging to corporate talking points.

The likelihood of the PS3 having a 10 year lifespan is slim at best. 3rd parties don't support anything beyond the first place console when hardware generation ends. In 3 years the PS3 and 360's third party support is going to start to fade with the launch of the 720/PS4/Wii2. They will be shifting to new hardware and only the Wii with its 100+ million user base will continue to see significant support. Unless Sony's 1st party teams take up the mantle, the PS3 will be lucky to last beyond 2013. Since a hardware's first party teams are typically the first too jump ship to new hardware, I don't see that happening.

Look at the PS2, its the best selling console of all time. I don't see Insomniac and Naughty Dog rolling out new projects for the PS2. They have shifted to the newer more powerful PS3. When the PS4 rolls out, they will make the same transition. The lower market share of the PS3 will cause that transition to occur at a faster pace however.



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ssj12 said:
Cueil said:
ssj12 said:
starcraft said:
KBG29 said:
Yes the PS3 could still be the highest selling console this gen, becuase of these reasons:
-Blu-ray
-HDD
-HDMI
-Cell
-Exclusive Gamse
-PSN
-Home
-Price Cuts
-Wifi

Yes Wii could win this gen because of:
-Motion Controller
-Price
-Price cuts
-Exclusive Games
-Wiiware
-Wifi

Yes 360 could win this gen because of:
-Exclusive games
-Xbox Live
-Price Cuts

This isn't a biased or manipulated post at ALL.

 

 

actually I will have to say the post isnt biased at all

The 360 has a lot of disadvantages against the Wii and PS3 like more games. IF Microsoft did what they did in gen 6 and make the HDD standard like the Xbox's they would have one less MAJOR disadvantage against the PS3 even though even though Microsoft already talk about how the HDD hurt the Xbox 1's profitablity and it's ability to get a price cut.

Microsoft unfortunately officially lacks any good 1st party studios, except Lionhead, so they lost in that department straight off even though they have the majority of support from 3rd party devs. They can afford to buy exclusives but really nothing beats home-made games except maybe Braid or Samerai Dishwasher... oh wait. And for a good back line-up, they can add some quality Xbox titles to Live but Sony and Nintendo both have a way bigger liberary of titles from jsut gen 5 to win any battle let alone add in the full abilities of VC including N64, SNES, NES, and many former competitor's titles.

They have a, somewhat<-- haha, good online service that is slowly being eaten away by both Nintendo(wtf) and Sony except this is not true. Yes, I will say that Nintendo's is lacking major function but it still adds some competition to the online market.

Techwise the PS3 is the only one special because it can stream 10 HD videos at once, but it can just bearly keep up with a decade old tech in gaming. The 360 is a modified PC except that it really is a modified powerpc mac, the Wii is an old IBM computer if IBM was Apple. This is both a positive and negative for the PS3. Sony's console tech allows for longevity but it will take a long time to see the true abilities of the system in a similar fassion that we saw for the PS2. You will see the 360 get tapped out really quick except that noone has really figured out how to fully take advantage of multicore processors. The Wii's powerPC CPU and ATI GPU will also wont take that long to tap out but the powerPC is still a touch more annoying to program for except it's been around for about a decade.

I wish you actually knew what you were talking about... you're probably one of those people who think that the PS3 has 9 cores.  I may prefer my Xbox 360 over the PS3, but I love games and wouldn't hesitate to buy the system.  It's a really great system, but that doesn't mean it's the greatest piece of hardware ever.  These two pieces of gaming hardware have strength and weaknesses that pretty much cancel out each other when it comes to performance.  The Cell processor is also based around the PowerPC architecture with 8 spes(and the PS3 only uses 6 of these for gaming)... not to diffrent from the idea of the PS2 with it's vector units.

 

sigh... you really dont understand that powerPC is made by IBM. Apple purchased their processors from IBM. Meaning you are extremely wrong there.

The CELL is a modified powerPC processor with 8 semantic cores, for the PS3 one is disabled and another is set for the XMB OS. The 360's CPU while based on the PPC is actually designed in a similar fashion as AMD's phenon X3. The Wii's PPC is just a faster standard PPC. The reason I state that it is trickier to program for is due to the fact not many programmers played with an Apple II when they were kids so they don't have the background to full grasp coding for it unlike more modern architectures from Intel and AMD.

The reason for the original Xbox not getting a price cut was the horrid deal M$ made with Nvidia which made it so NVidia didn't have to shrink the GPU. The HDD had more to do with the ability to have a price cut since HDD prices were dropping. Still I was using the HDD as a technical difference versus a sales difference like starcraft seems to think.

Lionhead is one studio which will go the same way as ES and the rest of M$'s studios.

Braid and indie developers don't count as first party and neither do 3rd parties. Last time I checked 3rd party = not owned by a company but can have exclusives purchased.

Also don;t judge one's intelligence when you yourself failed to prove me wrong at all in your entire "redo" of my post.

nice try but you fail

Did you care to deal with my response mate?

 



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ssj12 said:
Cueil said:
ssj12 said:
starcraft said:
KBG29 said:
Yes the PS3 could still be the highest selling console this gen, becuase of these reasons:
-Blu-ray
-HDD
-HDMI
-Cell
-Exclusive Gamse
-PSN
-Home
-Price Cuts
-Wifi

Yes Wii could win this gen because of:
-Motion Controller
-Price
-Price cuts
-Exclusive Games
-Wiiware
-Wifi

Yes 360 could win this gen because of:
-Exclusive games
-Xbox Live
-Price Cuts

This isn't a biased or manipulated post at ALL.

 

 

actually I will have to say the post isnt biased at all

The 360 has a lot of disadvantages against the Wii and PS3 like more games. IF Microsoft did what they did in gen 6 and make the HDD standard like the Xbox's they would have one less MAJOR disadvantage against the PS3 even though even though Microsoft already talk about how the HDD hurt the Xbox 1's profitablity and it's ability to get a price cut.

Microsoft unfortunately officially lacks any good 1st party studios, except Lionhead, so they lost in that department straight off even though they have the majority of support from 3rd party devs. They can afford to buy exclusives but really nothing beats home-made games except maybe Braid or Samerai Dishwasher... oh wait. And for a good back line-up, they can add some quality Xbox titles to Live but Sony and Nintendo both have a way bigger liberary of titles from jsut gen 5 to win any battle let alone add in the full abilities of VC including N64, SNES, NES, and many former competitor's titles.

They have a, somewhat<-- haha, good online service that is slowly being eaten away by both Nintendo(wtf) and Sony except this is not true. Yes, I will say that Nintendo's is lacking major function but it still adds some competition to the online market.

Techwise the PS3 is the only one special because it can stream 10 HD videos at once, but it can just bearly keep up with a decade old tech in gaming. The 360 is a modified PC except that it really is a modified powerpc mac, the Wii is an old IBM computer if IBM was Apple. This is both a positive and negative for the PS3. Sony's console tech allows for longevity but it will take a long time to see the true abilities of the system in a similar fassion that we saw for the PS2. You will see the 360 get tapped out really quick except that noone has really figured out how to fully take advantage of multicore processors. The Wii's powerPC CPU and ATI GPU will also wont take that long to tap out but the powerPC is still a touch more annoying to program for except it's been around for about a decade.

I wish you actually knew what you were talking about... you're probably one of those people who think that the PS3 has 9 cores.  I may prefer my Xbox 360 over the PS3, but I love games and wouldn't hesitate to buy the system.  It's a really great system, but that doesn't mean it's the greatest piece of hardware ever.  These two pieces of gaming hardware have strength and weaknesses that pretty much cancel out each other when it comes to performance.  The Cell processor is also based around the PowerPC architecture with 8 spes(and the PS3 only uses 6 of these for gaming)... not to diffrent from the idea of the PS2 with it's vector units.

 

sigh... you really dont understand that powerPC is made by IBM. Apple purchased their processors from IBM. Meaning you are extremely wrong there.

The CELL is a modified powerPC processor with 8 semantic cores, for the PS3 one is disabled and another is set for the XMB OS. The 360's CPU while based on the PPC is actually designed in a similar fashion as AMD's phenon X3. The Wii's PPC is just a faster standard PPC. The reason I state that it is trickier to program for is due to the fact not many programmers played with an Apple II when they were kids so they don't have the background to full grasp coding for it unlike more modern architectures from Intel and AMD.

The reason for the original Xbox not getting a price cut was the horrid deal M$ made with Nvidia which made it so NVidia didn't have to shrink the GPU. The HDD had more to do with the ability to have a price cut since HDD prices were dropping. Still I was using the HDD as a technical difference versus a sales difference like starcraft seems to think.

Lionhead is one studio which will go the same way as ES and the rest of M$'s studios.

Braid and indie developers don't count as first party and neither do 3rd parties. Last time I checked 3rd party = not owned by a company but can have exclusives purchased.

Also don;t judge one's intelligence when you yourself failed to prove me wrong at all in your entire "redo" of my post.

nice try but you fail

 

I fail? You gave none of those reasons and only made yourself look like a mad fanboy.  If you would have shown this level of intelligence in your post it wouldn't have ticked me off so much.  I know that what runs the Cell and I understand the layout of the SPEs.  As for being trickier... well that's up for debate since devs have not been able to really get a good grasp on parallel processing (used by modern cpus) and such they can't reach the full potential of either machine.  The PowerPC cpu was developed to replace the mac's then current cpu... the manufacturer escapes my mind... and thus was used almost exclusively on Macs.  The way you say it is that IBM PCs and that isn't right... IBM PCs used X386 processors like everyone else.

As for Lionhead we will see what they do, but they are an external 1st party studio unlike the two recent ones.

The deal with Nvidia was part of the reason, but that is something they could have delt with... the HDD prices hit a bottom and that was not going to go down any more than it did.  That's part of the reason for Sony constantly upgrading their HDD.  I believe that Moore  makes this pretty clear in his interview and Major Nelson has mentioned it on his blog.  Next time you post a bias artical about how "special" your prefered consol is I'll be sure to let you know to keep your intelegence in your original post and not in the follow up when someone calls you out.



you don't think it will win!?!?
Wii is a fad! It's a one hit wonder!
seriously though it'll win,..... because it appeals to more people.
more stupid stupid people ..
jk
or am i? that's why i just bought one.
and nuked it for 45 seconds.



if it will win or not its not that concern me because i have one and still have alot of games that i want to buy and play... if they stop pulling out games today the console will be a time killer for the next years for sure... my generation its more of PC gamers and i am not diferent so i am very happy with my buy (600€ at the time)...



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leo-j said:
If the ps3 were 299, things would be considerably different IMO, and that 299 price is only 6-12 months away(I think)

im saying if a 299 ps3 doesnt change things, then no I dont believe the ps3 will come 1st.

this i agree with.

 



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Sky Render said:
The PlayStation 3 is in much the same position as the Commodore 64 was in the late 1980s. It's top-of-the-line for what it does and its next-best competitor is working hard against it, but both of them are getting their clocks cleaned by an outdated "crappy product" designed for "non-consumers". And funnily enough, the parallels don't end there...

Back in 1987, Commodore 64 and Amiga were considered THE systems to own and play on by the gaming "elite" of the time. All of the big PC developers had thrown in their lot with either one or both of these systems, and nobody in the industry could understand how this little gray TV-dependent box called the Nintendo Entertainment System was selling so well without those developers supporting it. But the PC gaming industry figured it was plenty healthy, and didn't need to worry about the NES.

Jump forward a few years, and the Amiga and C64 were on their last legs as gaming systems. Desperate attempts were made to make them viable competitors with the NES, but it just didn't work. NES users didn't want Amiga or C64, and what Amiga and C64 gamers remained didn't want the NES or any of its style. The PC market imploded handily, and the console market the NES started exploded.

The intervening years are well known, of course (the re-emergence of the PC gaming market parallel to the console market, their slow melding into one, and the constant upscaling of graphics and processor power that followed). But the original division is what's important to look at, because we're seeing the exact same symptoms again. An outdated system hardware-wise with no "real" third-party support is a rising star amongst the "real" systems, and the urge to dismiss it out of hand only gets more intense as that rising star grows brighter and bigger.

 

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agreed, the price point, regardless of whether you believe it or not, is a huge factor. I remember when i was young, that there were consoles i wanted to get, like the jaguar and 3DO despite not knowing any games except for alien vs predator. they were both very expensive though.
Of course, now it is easier for a 400$ console to survive due to popularity of the gaming business and inflation, but still snes ps1,ps2 were only 200$, i dont think people have gotten used to the inflation nowadays and 400$ seems like quite a bit of money still,.. even though it's really not.



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Darc Requiem said:
I am surprised that their are so many PS3 fanboys still in the denial stage. The PS3 isn't going to finish first. Their is nothing wrong with preferring on console over another but their is something with making yourself look foolish by clinging to corporate talking points.

The likelihood of the PS3 having a 10 year lifespan is slim at best. 3rd parties don't support anything beyond the first place console when hardware generation ends. In 3 years the PS3 and 360's third party support is going to start to fade with the launch of the 720/PS4/Wii2. They will be shifting to new hardware and only the Wii with its 100+ million user base will continue to see significant support. Unless Sony's 1st party teams take up the mantle, the PS3 will be lucky to last beyond 2013. Since a hardware's first party teams are typically the first too jump ship to new hardware, I don't see that happening.

Look at the PS2, its the best selling console of all time. I don't see Insomniac and Naughty Dog rolling out new projects for the PS2. They have shifted to the newer more powerful PS3. When the PS4 rolls out, they will make the same transition. The lower market share of the PS3 will cause that transition to occur at a faster pace however.

 

By far the most insigthfull post so far. Esp about the support for last gen consoles. See how quick the XBox and GC dried up despite being younger and more "powerfull"? Truly only number one has a chance of a 10 year lifecycle. I mean remember Madden 2006 on N64, killer!

 

Frankly I think the market just doesn't have room for 3 consoles when two of them are about the same thing graphics, input and functionwise. They are just dividing half the market into half again. Sort of reminds me of my lost love the Saturn, she was hot, she had great 2D and fun exclusives, but she was just too similar to the PS1 and more expensive with little to set her apart. I don't know who this gen's Saturn will be but I think next time we will see far more variety in our consoles. In the old days when making money used to be important they would just pull out, but MS and Sony are far too full of themselves to consider that. Though I would be a pretty pissed shareholder at the moment.



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