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Esquoret on 13 May 2013
fadetoone said:


I'm pretty sure they made the story of Bioshock Infinite overly sensational to distract from the fact that it didn't make much sense.


BioShock is a soft science series (as opposed to the hard science of Mass Effect) - you're to accept and appreciate the poetic beauty of how its universe works. In terms of plot - who did what - it makes perfect sense. Listening to all the voxophones will provide you with the pieces required to put everything together. Looking at user-created timelines will also help you to map things out - and they can be mapped out without ambiguity.

I just think people who expect a Sheldon Cooper kind of person to appear at the end and explain all the physics in a professor-type way is approaching it from the wrong angle.



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dj2one on 14 May 2013

Yea after I finish my DMC plat I'm going to replay Bio for all the Voxphones and hope that will make fill out my questions about the story and I'm still looking forward to the Dlc I did buy the season pass I'm hoping for a proper trip to back to Rapture with the DLC



fadetoone on 14 May 2013
Esquoret said:

BioShock is a soft science series (as opposed to the hard science of Mass Effect) - you're to accept and appreciate the poetic beauty of how its universe works. In terms of plot - who did what - it makes perfect sense. Listening to all the voxophones will provide you with the pieces required to put everything together. Looking at user-created timelines will also help you to map things out - and they can be mapped out without ambiguity.

I just think people who expect a Sheldon Cooper kind of person to appear at the end and explain all the physics in a professor-type way is approaching it from the wrong angle.

Right, I get the story makes more sense after being provided with all the intricate information.  The problem is most people playing the game either miss certain things or don't particularly care to pay attention to all the little details, making the story seem to be a convoluted mess.  Developers shouldn't rely on the collectables and stuff like that to tell the story.

I still enjoyed the game quite a bit, but if I have to go online to make sense of the story, the game didn't do a good enough job of telling it.



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Rank Prev Rank VGchartz Username PSN ID Lvl Bronze Silver Gold Plat Total Points Plat Avg
1 1 Dark Odin  lebeau 35 5134 1888 653 144 7819 14556 1.87
2 2 Xenostar Xenostar 31 5110 1544 504 80 7238 12182 1.68
3 3 KylieDog KylieDog 31 4907 1359 474 117 6857 11873 2.30
4 4 HideoK  HideoK 29 4647 1398 426 91 6562 11091 2.09
5 5 mattbfg mattbfg 29 4464 1303 391 98 6256 10592 1.95
6 6 docholliday docholliday03 27 3630 1272 402 104 5408 9834 1.80
7 7 getrdone  getrdone25 27 4158 1146 377 78 5759 9648 2.12
8 8 JazzyJeez JazzyJiaz 27 4544 1125 312 45 6026 9206 1.93
9 9 MasterVG71782 Akimitsu782 26 3424 1046 358 80 4908 8624 2.03
10 10 badgenome PublicSudoku 25 3962 868 275 70 5175 8188 2.03
11 11 fadetoone FadeToOne 25 3842 988 277 53 5160 8116 1.94
12 12 ail  Aildiin 24 3333 938 268 76 4615 7729 2.32
13 13 Iveyboi Saugeen-Uwo 24 4593 833 198 14 5638 7615 1.64
14 14 geddesmond2 geddesmond2 23 3428 859 220 46 4553 7018 2.26
15 15 cmeese47 cmeese47 21 3195 750 226 25 4196 6351 1.33
16 16 woj woj912 21 2954 725 231 46 3956 6342 1.85
17 17 Esquoret Esquoret 21 2418 747 250 69 3484 6240 2.20
18 18 Thwip Thwip 21 2977 775 193 30 3975 6045 1.87
19 21 ghettoglamour GhettoGlamour 21 2915 708 207 31 3861 5945 1.93
20 19 Solid_Raiden SOLID_RAIDEN 21 3167 645 179 34 4025 5939 2.18
21 20 Jboy0990 jboy0990 21 2444 695 250 52 3441 5922 1.96
22 22 RukiSama RukiSama 20 2744 675 193 38 3650 5708 1.79
23 23 dj2one TWO1FIVE 19 2720 629 142 30 3521 5190 1.86
24 26 Eindyien Eindyien 19 2327 594 172 48 3141 5123 2.27
25 24 HanzoTheRazor  HanzoTheRazor 19 2056 610 213 47 2926 5118 2.33
26 25 jake_the_fake1 Destroyerz_knite 19 2097 577 210 47 2931 5075 2.06
27 27 Tbone DPatriot 19 2139 570 182 56 2947 5043 2.98
28 28 arcane_chaos goldenmegazx 19 2605 597 142 32 3376 5035 1.91
29 29 marciosmg marciosmg 19 2390 565 160 42 3157 4984 2.12
30 30 Ajescent Ajescent 19 2636 542 136 28 3342 4872 1.82
31 31 DuNnDuNn90 DuNnDuNn90 19 1854 640 198 41 2733 4814 1.78
32 32 wenlan  WoLoCo 18 1865 555 206 37 2663 4655 1.76
33 33 Wonktonodi WonkTonodi1 18 1907 566 178 33 2684 4503 1.67
34 34 kivi95 Kivi95 18 2249 517 151 21 2938 4441 1.90
35 35 Miguel_Zorro Miguel_Zorro 18 1749 554 173 37 2513 4339 1.92
36 36 sirvice SirVice 17 1763 505 169 39 2476 4255 1.95
37 37 ROBOTECHHEAVEN RAPTUREOFHEAVEN 17 2181 522 134 18 2855 4245 1.50
38 39 DareDareCaro DareDareCaro 17 1888 501 142 41 2572 4234 2.27
39 38 maximus22 coximus22 17 1985 504 151 27 2667 4223 3.00
40 40 Wagram AnimasPaine 17 1704 478 145 44 2371 4058 2.25
41 41 finalsquall  Finalsquall 17 1972 452 143 27 2594 4058 1.81
42 43 ethomaz ethomaz 17 1591 472 174 36 2273 4011 2.14
43 42 ultraslick  UltraslicK 17 1903 454 131 33 2521 3993 2.09
44 44 chenguo4  chenguo4 17 1815 379 143 43 2380 3947 2.67
45 45 viewtiful_jon Jon_Felkin 17 1548 497 174 29 2248 3934 2.24
46 46 maverick40 thekiddfran 17 2100 449 102 17 2668 3814 1.89
47 47 V-r0cK V-r0cK-Kun 17 1695 403 136 36 2270 3749 2.42
48 48 Chark GT_168 16 1536 469 145 26 2176 3656 2.32
49 50 Arcturus  CityWokk 16 1889 440 100 19 2448 3597 2.11
50 49 radiantshadow92 radiantshadow92 16 1794 411 120 19 2344 3564 2.11
51 51 Blood_Tears Cold_Stare 16 1913 430 108 10 2461 3541 1.50
52 52 yakuzaIce  YakuzaIce 16 1552 393 128 32 2105 3490 1.84
53 53 Draven26 draven26 16 1714 393 116 21 2244 3448 1.81
54 54 A203D A203D 16 1431 390 136 34 1991 3435 2.42
55 55 Crystalchild Crystalchild 16 1784 406 98 19 2307 3412 2.16
56 56 Reasonable eddxuk 16 1865 407 108 4 2384 3375 1.50
57 58 snfr Elite-Schnupfer 16 1969 355 93 9 2426 3345 2.11
58 57 demonfox13 Onikenshi 16 1666 398 103 20 2187 3320 2.15
59 59 ruimartiniman danceintothefire 16 1972 388 80 2 2442 3252 2.50
60 60 naraku2099 Immortal_Inu 16 1682 398 87 18 2185 3216 2.17
61 61 Branko2166 squall-23 15 1471 349 124 22 1966 3177 1.67
62 62 postofficebuddy postofficebuddy 15 1457 358 132 16 1963 3157 3.44
63 63 sergiodaly SergioDaly 15 1439 322 126 25 1912 3139 2.24
64 64 Chevinator123 THE_CHEVINATOR 15 1576 358 107 14 2055 3102 2.00
65 65 Garamond Garamond1886 15 1563 354 95 20 2032 3081 2.25
66 66 yum123 yenny10 15 1598 365 96 8 2067 3000 1.88
67 67 goodfella kassanowa07 15 1356 343 105 23 1827 2948 1.83
68 68 naruball xena4ever 15 1544 313 78 7 1942 2722 1.71
69 69 phinch1 phinch 15 1562 292 76 6 1936 2674 1.83
70 70 grimygunz GrimyGunZ 14 1537 299 62 7 1905 2591 1.86
71 71 Aprisaiden  Aprisaiden 14 1412 289 75 10 1786 2560 1.60
72 72 KBG29 KBG29 14 1392 292 78 8 1770 2540 1.63
73 73 SnakeDrake Snakehunter25 14 1467 296 63 6 1832 2509 1.83
74 74 michael_stutzer tahsin_sutcuoglu 14 1206 297 82 13 1598 2448 2.25
75 75 Dgc1808 Detsuki-G 14 1240 320 61 15 1636 2426 2.29
76 76 leatherhat Hatberserker 14 1357 263 60 10 1690 2363 2.40
77 77 NoCtiS_NoX Noctisnox 14 1047 240 85 24 1396 2325 2.22
78 78 almcchesney almcchesney 14 1697 228 28 0 1953 2321  - 
79 79 fireburden5  JakeC24 14 986 293 88 17 1384 2304 2.06
80 80 Lafiel  Lafiel 14 1163 270 80 9 1522 2291 2.67
81 81 spdk1 SPDK1 14 1039 265 92 11 1407 2253 1.27
82 82 Cleaner475 cleaner475 14 1362 258 46 4 1670 2202 2.50
83 83 Acevil Acevil 13 1180 240 51 11 1482 2098 1.82
84 84 axumblade  Axumblade 13 1151 220 58 8 1437 2035 1.29
85 85 Stefl1504 Stefl1504 13 1316 178 50 2 1546 1996 2.00
86 86 Finnbar Gonff 13 1207 209 50 4 1470 1973 1.50
87 87 Shorty11857 shorty11857 13 1137 222 50 5 1414 1941 1.80
88 88 finalrpgfantasy Edward-rpgfan 13 991 224 51 14 1280 1913 2.43
89 89 zuvuyeay Zuvuyeay 13 993 251 47 8 1299 1873 1.63
90 90 Corey Corza736 13 1120 198 45 5 1368 1846 2.00
91 91 jadakiss1217 party29 13 973 187 59 12 1231 1845 1.83
92 92 EncodedNybble EncodedNybble 13 920 219 45 15 1199 1808 2.80
93 93 Joel12345 isjoel13 13 998 214 41 11 1264 1804 2.09
94 94 mjk45 mjk45 13 1288 162 28 2 1480 1804 2.00
95 95 Simulacrum Criminal916 13 1045 205 40 2 1292 1719 2.50
96 96 Tailgunner Railgunner 13 1101 180 35 3 1319 1707 1.33
97 97 Nanaki TurquiseNanaki 13 894 195 46 11 1146 1692 1.90
98 98 REDZONE REDZONE_313 13 942 185 40 8 1175 1648 2.13
99 99 binary solo binary_solo69 13 839 201 49 8 1097 1631 2.00
100 100 perpride Darth-Cidius 13 884 184 42 8 1118 1600 2.00
101 101 theprof00 aortictwister 12 738 165 63 11 977 1578 1.64
102 102 SOLDIER_Cloud dezz100 12 812 182 46 6 1046 1524 1.83
103 103 Gab gabeish 12 736 198 41 7 982 1462 2.20
104 104 sub-zero-TM TheSypherBoy7873 12 875 141 34 5 1055 1421 2.00
105 105 xstonexcold316x  SP3NCE1325 12 840 170 31 1 1042 1378 1.00
106 108 homer power_hungryfool 12 776 149 37 6 968 1368 1.83
107 106 westplay Westplay2 12 797 144 37 5 983 1367 2.00
108 107 SnakeEyez  SnakeEyez 12 784 167 33 3 987 1352 2.33
109 109 Kantor LordElite 12 794 168 28 3 993 1334 2.00
110 110 Outlawauron  leafy_bug 12 846 137 29 0 1012 1294  - 
111 111 pariz arizna 12 818 141 20 2 981 1244 2.00
112 112 yog-sothot yog-sothot 12 648 161 32 5 846 1222 2.20
113 113 Joka_  JOKA_THE_SMOKA 12 666 122 36 5 829 1186 2.60
114 114 Tecmo D-Day_11 12 606 128 41 6 781 1180 2.00
115 115 Robbie2010 LogicOverAll 12 568 162 39 1 770 1138 2.00
116 116 rakugakist pulptarantino 12 503 117 45 10 675 1127 1.90
117 117 brute TB-ALBON 12 464 133 45 8 650 1096 1.88
118 118 Fufinu Fufinu 11 629 97 20 3 749 979 2.33
119 119 mysticwolf SmashBro22 10 584 104 13 2 703 894  - 
120 120 torok leotorok 10 552 99 15 3 669 876 2.00
121 121 Ferryarthur FerryArthur 10 541 109 12 1 663 843 2.00
122 122 puertoecuanama  puertoecuanama 9 405 119 18 4 546 799 2.75
123 123 ThatGreekGuy Mitsos1311 9 484 112 14 0 610 792  - 
124 124 Son1x Son1x- 9 439 94 21 2 556 777 2.00
125 125 insomniac17  aceninja007 9 440 89 20 3 552 774 2.33
126 126 dsgrue3 dsgrue3 9 458 99 13 1 571 746 2.00
127 127 sennaho sennaho 9 561 55 11 0 627 737  - 
128 128 MaxwellGT2000 maxwellgt2000 9 501 75 10 1 587 723 2.00
129 129 MANUELF Climb25 9 231 114 33 4 382 705 1.25
130 131 Scisca Scisca 9 376 73 22 4 475 702 1.75
131 130 Ssenkahdavic Ssenkahdavic 8 412 61 12 2 487 630 2.50
132 132 Christopher_G2 Chris_Mofo 8 396 63 11 0 470 588  - 
133 133 bmaker11  BoilerMaker11 7 378 53 3 0 434 502  - 
134 134 dharh dharh 7 302 38 7 0 347 420  - 
135 135 weaveworld Weaveworld 6 193 57 9 1 260 373 2.00
136 136 Rainbow Yoshi Formula1Fanboy 5 199 18 5 0 222 265  - 
137 137 Siko1989 siko1989 5 164 27 5 0 196 248  - 
138 138 Klucifer KLucifer 5 159 15 6 0 180 225  - 
139 139 psrock  psrock1 5 148 11 3 0 162 188  - 


Platinum Leaderboard

VGchartz Username PSN ID Platinum Count Platinum Points Plat Difficulty Avg
Dark Odin  lebeau 144 268 1.86
KylieDog KylieDog 117 267 2.28
mattbfg mattbfg 98 191 1.95
HideoK  HideoK 91 188 2.07
docholliday docholliday03 104 184 1.77
ail  Aildiin 76 176 2.32
Tbone DPatriot 56 167 2.98
getrdone  getrdone25 78 165 2.12
MasterVG71782 Akimitsu782 80 162 2.03
Esquoret Esquoret 69 152 2.20
badgenome PublicSudoku 70 140 2.00
Xenostar Xenostar 80 131 1.64
chenguo4  chenguo4 43 115 2.67
Eindyien Eindyien 48 109 2.27
HanzoTheRazor  HanzoTheRazor 47 107 2.28
geddesmond2 geddesmond2 46 104 2.26
fadetoone FadeToOne 53 103 1.94
Jboy0990 jboy0990 52 102 1.96
Wagram AnimasPaine 44 99 2.25
jake_the_fake1 Destroyerz_knite 47 97 2.06


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HideoK  HideoK 11091 11001 90
badgenome PublicSudoku 8188 8102 86
Scisca Scisca 702 621 81
JazzyJeez JazzyJiaz 9206 9134 72
ghettoglamour GhettoGlamour 5945 5885 60
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SnakeDrake on 14 May 2013

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Esquoret on 14 May 2013
fadetoone said:
Esquoret said:

BioShock is a soft science series (as opposed to the hard science of Mass Effect) - you're to accept and appreciate the poetic beauty of how its universe works. In terms of plot - who did what - it makes perfect sense. Listening to all the voxophones will provide you with the pieces required to put everything together. Looking at user-created timelines will also help you to map things out - and they can be mapped out without ambiguity.

I just think people who expect a Sheldon Cooper kind of person to appear at the end and explain all the physics in a professor-type way is approaching it from the wrong angle.

Right, I get the story makes more sense after being provided with all the intricate information.  The problem is most people playing the game either miss certain things or don't particularly care to pay attention to all the little details, making the story seem to be a convoluted mess.  Developers shouldn't rely on the collectables and stuff like that to tell the story.

I still enjoyed the game quite a bit, but if I have to go online to make sense of the story, the game didn't do a good enough job of telling it.

From watching interviews with Kev Levine, I gathered that he highly values player exploration. So yeah, we do have to work for the story - look around the environment, try and find those voxophones which serve as the pieces of a puzzle to be solved. It may seem like a problem at times too, like you said, if these things are missed, whether intentionally or unintentionally. But at the same time, it's a challenge as well, and if you're able to discover these things for yourself, it's far more satisfying than being force-fed a cutscene that can't be missed/skipped.

All in all, a different approach with pros and cons. Personally I slow down in BioShock games (than playing other FPS) because they are harder to decipher. I think the genres  tags of "mystery" and "puzzle" may also be suitable to define the series. It's also a joy to be able to share and discuss your findings in a community, and witness the internet piecing together every detail and observation - can't say that about many games. A lot of subtlety exists, more than what we, as gamers, are used to in the common video game narrative.

Again, a different approach; it may attract some people, may turn others away. Inception was a complex movie, but within it there was a lot of interactions that delieverd exposition for the sake of explaining, quite obviously, to the audience of how things worked. While some people appreciated that, others complained about the lack of subtlety. So, to each their own I guess.



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fadetoone on 15 May 2013
KylieDog said:
Bioshock Infinite sounds like it tries telling story the way old Resident Evil games did (they placed files you can read all over the place), only with old RE games the main story didn't need the files and was all explained, the files were used to pad the universe and give a fuller world, not explain it.


Yeah, that's kinda the thing.  My problem was the "twists" at the end are thrown at you so fast that the meaning can get lost.  Esqouret is completely right that the various things in the game help explain everything in better details, but if you get lost by what the main story is trying to tell you, the other details aren't going always going to fill the gap.