starcraft said:
bbsin said:
starcraft said:
Wait a minute? You are using the Xbox 360's disappointing performance with one game of which there are dozens in the genre on the console to make a comparison to the PS3's horrendous performance with a game that was meant to act as a lighting rod for the JRPG genre?
It can no longer be spun Mr Mature. The PS3 just got a very impressive JRPG, and it barely left the shelves it was set up on.
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Your hypocracy is driving me nuts. Do you not realize that you've been touting the 360's "success" with JRPGs as only compared to the 2 JRPGs (which were all ports) ever released on the PS3, just to accuse someone of selectively picking out a low selling 360 title as the game that defines console status as a whole? Who's the one nit-picking here?
If you're trying to imply that the PS3 isn't capable of selling JRPGs as well as the 360, then why not make a friendly 4-8 month signature/avatar control bet with me that WKS will outsell ANY 360 JRPG ever created in Japan? But for some reason I doubt you have the courage (or stupidity) to attempt to compare a non-yearold port game of the PS3 to the best the 360 has to offer and expect the 360 to come out on top.
There doesn't need to be any spinning involved. It's obivious why TrustyBell will sell as low as it will in Japan for the same reason why it's obvious that if it were released a year ago, the PS3 version would have outsold it around 2-5 times to amount of the counter part 360 version just like all the other multiplatform Japanese games ever released. The point that you're trying to make a conclusion based off of one port is pathetic.
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Hypocracy?
I thought prior to this only one JRPG had been released on the PS3? And only outside Japan? Enchanted Arms?
My point is, and has always been, that there is no proof whatsoever that the PS3 is capable of selling large quantities of JRPG's. I have not said that it is incapable of doing so, I have said that it offers no proof at this point. There were a lot of high expectations in this thread (mine included). There was also a great deal of hyping of this game (port) all around these boards. It is by all accounts a greatly improved version of an already good game.
What "proof" do you need? That new titles always sell better on PS3 in Japan? That there's a higher PS3 fanbase in Japan?From reading your post in this thread (and others), it's very apparent that you're using the low performance of Eternal Sonata, not as an indicator of whether or not the PS3 is capable of selling JRPG, but as a means to conclude that ES sold poorly and that there would be no reason to expect other JRPGs would undoubtedly do better. You're discounting the fact that the game is almost a year old port by trying to convince others that "it's a good game and because it's a good game, it SHOULD sell", which is complete crap.
I am discounting nothing. I am pointing out that until the moment the first day numbers were revealed, a contingent of gamers were pointing to ES as the first yardstick that would prove the capability of the PS3 to sell large quantities of JRPG's. How is reasonable sales of some non-JRPG titles proof?
I'd like to point out that the people banking on ES to be a credible indicator of how well other JRPGs would sell on the PS3 are idoits, were you one of those idoits?
To answer the bold, it's simple.
You credit the 360 as a console that can sell large quantities of JRPGs. Every multiplatform game to date made by a Japanese studio, has sold 2-5 times better on the PS3 opposed to 360. Therefore, if the 360 can sell 100k units of a action JRPG that's made from a well respected dev like Infinite Undiscovery on week one, I'd expect the PS3 to sell MORE than 100k units of a action JRPG from a well repected dev. Simple logic ain't it?
What possible purpose would me making a bet on a future game have with regard to my assertion that the PS3 has not currently proved a capability to sell JRPG's in large quantities?
The fact that you won't accept this bet, along with the fact that you define the 360 as the "console that can sell mass amounts of JRPG" is really all I need. Your claim of "the PS3 has no proof that it can sell JRPGs" is merely a way for you to stealth troll while stating the obvious. I mean c'mon, not everyone is as stupid as you think. What other reason is there for you to bring up the fact that the PS3 has no JRPGs in library up till now?
The point that you won't accept the bet is the obvious indicator that even though you say "there is no proof whatsoever that the PS3 is capable of selling large quantities of JRPG's", you know damn well that it can and that there will be, thus making your entire "proof" claims pointless.
For example, If i told you that WKS will sell "(insert recent 360 JRPG) + 10,000". What would you say? That I don't have any proof?
You have failed to explain what a bet about a future game has to do with my simple statement that, as yet, there is no proof that the PS3 can sell large quantities of JRPG's? Do not think that I am trolling against WKC. It is in fact one of those titles I envisage myself picking up when I purchase a PS3. But you have to realise that WKC selling 5 million week one would not, in any way, disprove my point. Of course, if I restated the point post-great WKC sales, I would be incorrect. It is simply a point that has a sliding time scale too it. A point into which you have read far too much. Those that claimed the PS3 could sell great numbers of JRPG's based off of anticipated strong ES sales were incorrect.
You troll against WKC? blasphemy!
It's simple Starcraft. By not taking up the bet, you've shown that you personally feel that the PS3 is VERY capable of selling large amounts of JRPG, thus making your "PS3 has no proof of the ability to sell JRPGs" pretty meaningless.
All i want to know is your reasoning behind stating "The PS3 has shown no proof of selling JRPGs", over and over and over again. Are you trying to inform everyone that just because it doesn't have any proof (ATM), that the PS3 ISN'T capable of selling JRPGs? I doubt you would spend so much time restating a fact that will obviously be changed as time rolls on for any other reason.
Furthermore, explain why you bolded my text about UT3, then labelled it hypocracy whilst ignoring my entire point that the 30th in a line of shooters on one console =/= the first JRPG.
(PS3) Eternal Sonata = Port = UT3 (360)
Nitpicking = using one 360 port to determine capability of console = using one PS3 port to determine capability of console.
But I did not use the UT3 port to determine the capability of the Xbox 360, Lol Mature did. Nor did I use ES to determine the capability of the PS3. I simply pointed out that the argument I made prior to the launch of the game (that the PS3 has offered no proof it can sell JRPG's in large quantities), still holds true after the game's launch.
I never said you used UT3 to determine anything.
You used Eternal Sonata sales to try to convince everyone that ES should have sold well because its a "great" game, but didn't. Then you went on to state the meaningless fact that the PS3 ha not "proven" it's ability to JRPGs. Read the response above again for more.
It doesn't matter with Eternal Sonata is the first JRPG or not, the bottom line is that it's still a port. And the demand for a year old port is ALWAYS going to be lower than the original product. If Warhawk were to be released on the 360 6 months from now as the "first 3rd person airplain flight game" and sold like crap. Would you label the sales of the 360 warhawk under "port" or "360 can't sell those type of games"?
No. I would point to the impressive sales of Ace Combat 6 on Xbox 360 to demonstrate that the consoleis capable of selling 3rd person airplane flight games. 
cute. but that was not what I was getting at.
You were accusing someone of using one game as a means of determining the capabilities of a console, yet you've been doing that the whole time when the PS3 had no games and still now, when it only has one, an old port.
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