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starcraft said:
bbsin said:
starcraft said:
LOL MATURE said:
starcraft said:
Wow.

This is disappointing.

I guess the "PS3 can sell JRPG's it just needs a chance to prove itself" has gone out the window now.

read what both fila and i have said. anyone who expected this to sell more was simply fooling themselves. want proof? - http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=13325®ion=All - http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=14180®ion=All - 220k is long ways away with those numbers.... (wasn't the 360 suppose to sell 1m according to you 360 fanboys because of the way larger install base {especially in america} with 360 fans loving shooters?)

Wait a minute?  You are using the Xbox 360's disappointing performance with one game of which there are dozens in the genre on the console to make a comparison to the PS3's horrendous performance with a game that was meant to act as a lighting rod for the JRPG genre?

It can no longer be spun Mr Mature.  The PS3 just got a very impressive JRPG, and it barely left the shelves it was set up on.

Your hypocracy is driving me nuts. Do you not realize that you've been touting the 360's "success" with JRPGs as only compared to the 2 JRPGs (which were all ports) ever released on the PS3, just to accuse someone of selectively picking out a low selling 360 title as the game that defines console status as a whole? Who's the one nit-picking here?

If you're trying to imply that the PS3 isn't capable of selling JRPGs as well as the 360, then why not make a friendly 4-8 month signature/avatar control bet with me that WKS will outsell ANY 360 JRPG ever created in Japan? But for some reason I doubt you have the courage (or stupidity) to attempt to compare a non-yearold port game of the PS3 to the best the 360 has to offer and expect the 360 to come out on top.

There doesn't need to be any spinning involved. It's obivious why TrustyBell will sell as low as it will in Japan for the same reason why it's obvious that if it were released a year ago, the PS3 version would have outsold it around 2-5 times to amount of the counter part 360 version just like all the other multiplatform Japanese games ever released. The point that you're trying to make a conclusion based off of one port is pathetic.

Hypocracy?

I thought prior to this only one JRPG had been released on the PS3?  And only outside Japan?  Enchanted Arms?

My point is, and has always been, that there is no proof whatsoever that the PS3 is capable of selling large quantities of JRPG's.  I have not said that it is incapable of doing so, I have said that it offers no proof at this point.  There were a lot of high expectations in this thread (mine included).  There was also a great deal of hyping of this game (port) all around these boards.  It is by all accounts a greatly improved version of an already good game.

 What "proof" do you need? That new titles always sell better on PS3 in Japan? That there's a higher PS3 fanbase in Japan?From reading your post in this thread (and others), it's very apparent that you're using the low performance of Eternal Sonata, not as an indicator of whether or not the PS3 is capable of selling JRPG, but as a means to conclude that ES sold poorly and that there would be no reason to expect other JRPGs would undoubtedly do better. You're discounting the fact that the game is almost a year old port by trying to convince others that "it's a good game and because it's a good game, it SHOULD sell", which is complete crap.

What possible purpose would me making a bet on a future game have with regard to my assertion that the PS3 has not currently proved a capability to sell JRPG's in large quantities?

The fact that you won't accept this bet, along with the fact that you define the 360 as the "console that can sell mass amounts of JRPG" is really all I need. Your claim of "the PS3 has no proof that it can sell JRPGs" is merely a way for you to stealth troll while stating the obvious. I mean c'mon, not everyone is as stupid as you think. What other reason is there for you to bring up the fact that the PS3 has no JRPGs in library up till now?

The point that you won't accept the bet is the obvious indicator that even though you say "there is no proof whatsoever that the PS3 is capable of selling large quantities of JRPG's", you know damn well that it can and that there will be, thus making your entire "proof" claims pointless.

For example, If i told you that WKS will sell "(insert recent 360 JRPG) + 10,000". What would you say? That I don't have any proof?

Furthermore, explain why you bolded my text about UT3, then labelled it hypocracy whilst ignoring my entire point that the 30th in a line of shooters on one console =/= the first JRPG.

(PS3) Eternal Sonata = Port = UT3 (360)

Nitpicking = using one 360 port to determine capability of console = using one PS3 port to determine capability of console.

 It doesn't matter with Eternal Sonata is the first JRPG or not, the bottom line is that it's still a port. And the demand for a year old port is ALWAYS going to be lower than the original product. If Warhawk were to be released on the 360 6 months from now as the "first 3rd person airplain flight game" and sold like crap. Would you label the sales of the 360 warhawk under "port" or "360 can't sell those type of games"?

You were accusing someone of using one game as a means of determining the capabilities of a console, yet you've been doing that the whole time when the PS3 had no games and still now, when it only has one, an old port.

 

 "My point is, and has always been, that there is no proof whatsoever that the PS3 is capable of selling large quantities of JRPG's."

Stop beating around the bush. What are you trying to imply.

All your "no proof of the PS3 selling JRPG" comments are the equivalent of hanging on to a burning rope, you know it's eventually going to snap, yet you keep telling people otherwise.