Nin is NOT about games anymore. Just accept it.

I dont think they are hurting gaming, if anything they will bring in new people to Sony and MS consoles.

 QFT.

Is sad how some nintendo-haters or sony fans want to create a false image about the Wii not having enough hardcore games... if the wii will have one problem this christmas is that there are going to be more good games than most people can afford to buy (and maybe console shortages)

 Has there ever been a post as fanboyish as this one?

Posting an opinion and then demanding we accept it as fact without posting ANY reasoning to back it up.

The earth is flat. Just accept it. 

 So I guess they sell toilet paper now. Or maybe they've started up a lucrative air freshner division and are shifting their focus there. 

 Certainly not games, though. No sir. 

I left the Nintendo boat.........oh........8 years ago, and haven't looked back. I just came to your realilization a long time ago.

Let me ask someone this: when was the last time Nintendo tried to build a strong new Nintendocore IP that didn't cater to the touch or wii series of gamers?

Reading this forum, one quote ept popping into my head:

"the term 'video game' is the single greatest threat to our industry."

I don't remember who said it, and I probably didn't get the words exactly right, but that was the gist of it. And whoever said it was absolutely right. What Nintendo is showing us that the term 'video game' is too narrow and too restrictive for such a potentially huge industry. Video game is just a sub-category of something much bigger: interactive media. Nintendo makes interactive media now, and video games just happen to be a increasingly smaller part of it.

I for one have been waiting for this to happen for a long ass time. Imagine medical schools using a realistic trauma center to train without having to get corpses. Or a speech 'game' where you can practice speaking in front of an audience, and then it scores you based on timing, stuttering and, with the balance board, nervous foot shifting.

Interactive media has the potential to actually rival music and television as the dominant form of media in our culture, both for entertainment and education. But in order for it to happen we have to get over the notion of interactive media being video games and nothing more. Some, like konnichiwa, may get lost or intimidated by this huge paradigm shift, but I don't think we have anything to fear. Video games will always be around, as well as us, the 'hardcore gamers' who play them. We will just be small fishes in an ever growing ocean. I for one will be happy to swim in it, because an Ocean sure as hell beats a fish bowl.

The 100 million gamers weren't core gamers, obviously. Unless you equate "hardcore gamer" with "owning a playstation," which frankly I think is something some people do around here. Well then yes! All of them were hardcore gamers. In reality, only a small fraction of the owners were, though, and there isn't any real evidence that the "hardcore gamer" crowd is growing. There is evidence that it HAS NOT grown, though -- the relative lack of growth in the industry over the last ten years, leading up to the Wii's release (the Playstation 2 was approximately as popular as the Playstation 1, considering population growth) is a good example. 

You're really setting a very limited window here, Akuma. You want new IPs? Nintendogs, Animal Crossing, and the Wii series (Sports, Play, etc) are all new IPs that are extremely popular. But those aren't good enough for you, because they aren't hardcore games? Okay then, all the major hardcore Nintendo franchises are making the leap over to the Wii -- Zelda, Mario, Kirby, Mario Kart, Smash Brothers... but those aren't good enough either.

You insist on not only new IPs, but new IPs that appeal specifically to you. Fine, then don't buy a Wii. But don't say that Nintendo isn't catering to the hardcore (they are) and don't say they aren't making new IPs (they are). If they aren't making new IPs you personally enjoy, then simply don't buy them. If you don't enjoy their traditional, hardcore franchises, then simply don't buy them. 

You're putting up a straw argument, and I think it's a bait and switch, Akuma. Once we proved that Nintendo IS making hardcore games still, you insisted that Nintendo provide new IPs. Since it's clear that Nintendo IS providing new IPs, you insisted those new IPs weren't your tastes, even if they're wildly popular.

Again, fine, but this isn't the argument we started with. Nintendo is still making hardcore games, Nintendo is still making new IPs. That was the argument, and the answers should be clear by now. If you don't personally enjoy Nintendo, fine, but stop switching the argument when it's clear you've lost.  

They showed Wii Fit and gave it a lot of time because they wanted to create a lot of buzz. Mainstream news now know about it, and it will surely expand more and more news.

I`m angry too that Nintendo hasn`t shown anything new besides Fit and MK, but that proves their position for this E3. Show how great Galaxy and MP3 are, create buzz with WiiFit. I wouldn`t be surprised that they show SSBB, Kirby, AC, new RPGs, etc in TGS. Remember, TGS is open for a lot more people, and with a good showing, they give Sony a final blow in there.

to konnichiwa, Diomedes1976, Celb, mrstickball, SDF et. al., Nintendo has written a song for you:

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall
And the bells in the steeple too
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird
Is popping out to say "cuckoo"

Cuckoo, cuckoo

Regretfully they tell us Cuckoo, cuckoo
But firmly they compel us Cuckoo, cuckoo
To say goodbye . . .

Cuckoo!

. . . to you

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, good night

I hate to go and leave this pretty sight

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, adieu

Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu

So long, farewell, au revoir, auf wiedersehen

I'd like to stay and taste my first champagne

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, goodbye

I leave and heave a sigh and say goodbye -- Goodbye!

I'm glad to go, I cannot tell a lie

I flit, I float, I fleetly flee, I fly

The sun has gone to bed and so must I

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, goodbye
Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye

Goodbye!