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Pristine20 on 16 September 2008
slimeattack said:
But the PS3 will eventually be the market leader

 

 Whether that's sarcasm or not, the ps3 becoming the market leader would only add more fuel to this plan



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

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Jo21 on 16 September 2008

they can.

hell they can even put a 1tb hardrive in ten years and release it as a media center for 199$ and it will still be selling.



Pristine20 on 16 September 2008
Xen said:
Pristine20 said:
Xen said:
All good points dude. Especially numbers 2 and 3.

-To compare, see the early PS2 games vs the later ones (KH2, MGS3, ZOE 2, all look miles, miles, miles above the early PS2 stuff.) Can the PS3 be pushed like that? hell yeah. Can Sony's first and second party do that? you bet. With a little thought you can see where I'm going. Hell, even third parties have the ability to do that if they want.

-Viable system against let's say, Microsoft's next system. If the emphasis on hardware and graphics persists MS is gonna have a system that many 3rd parties will have a problem supporting, due to production costs that are too high and can't be recouped. The PS3 isn't cheap to develop for either, but it could prove itself as a better platform for many devs...

-As devs get more experienced with the PS3 architecture, it'll be easier work for them. Less stress, faults, bugs, less manpower needed. Lower developmrnt cost and higher quality. Sounds good to me...

-In the next few years the PS3 hardware will be cheaper to produce. From that I hear price cuts. From there I see buyers coming. In the end we're gonna have a bigger fanbase that could generate high profits, and again, be a viable system even if it's old (see PS2).

-Well, Sony improves. See PSN service, games on PSN, projects such as HOME, big online games. That should draw buyers in with the right advertising, don't ya think?

These are some of the things I see in the PS3's future, some of them are feeback to yours, Pristine.

HOME itself and the social networking and all it pormises make it look like it was meant for ps4

 

I'm glad they will release it for PS3 then :)

 

Me too. But this is proof that the ps4 isn't coming in the standard 5 years.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Xen on 16 September 2008
Pristine20 said:
Xen said:
Pristine20 said:
Xen said:
All good points dude. Especially numbers 2 and 3.

-To compare, see the early PS2 games vs the later ones (KH2, MGS3, ZOE 2, all look miles, miles, miles above the early PS2 stuff.) Can the PS3 be pushed like that? hell yeah. Can Sony's first and second party do that? you bet. With a little thought you can see where I'm going. Hell, even third parties have the ability to do that if they want.

-Viable system against let's say, Microsoft's next system. If the emphasis on hardware and graphics persists MS is gonna have a system that many 3rd parties will have a problem supporting, due to production costs that are too high and can't be recouped. The PS3 isn't cheap to develop for either, but it could prove itself as a better platform for many devs...

-As devs get more experienced with the PS3 architecture, it'll be easier work for them. Less stress, faults, bugs, less manpower needed. Lower developmrnt cost and higher quality. Sounds good to me...

-In the next few years the PS3 hardware will be cheaper to produce. From that I hear price cuts. From there I see buyers coming. In the end we're gonna have a bigger fanbase that could generate high profits, and again, be a viable system even if it's old (see PS2).

-Well, Sony improves. See PSN service, games on PSN, projects such as HOME, big online games. That should draw buyers in with the right advertising, don't ya think?

These are some of the things I see in the PS3's future, some of them are feeback to yours, Pristine.

HOME itself and the social networking and all it pormises make it look like it was meant for ps4

 

I'm glad they will release it for PS3 then :)

 

Me too. But this is proof that the ps4 isn't coming in the standard 5 years.

 

Yeah, I would hate to get a PS3 and a new PS-class system not long after that. My PS2 is serving me for almost 6 years now... and it will probably serve me until it dies. (and then I'll get another one :) ).

 



Pristine20 on 16 September 2008
Xen said:
Pristine20 said:
Xen said:
Pristine20 said:
Xen said:
All good points dude. Especially numbers 2 and 3.

-To compare, see the early PS2 games vs the later ones (KH2, MGS3, ZOE 2, all look miles, miles, miles above the early PS2 stuff.) Can the PS3 be pushed like that? hell yeah. Can Sony's first and second party do that? you bet. With a little thought you can see where I'm going. Hell, even third parties have the ability to do that if they want.

-Viable system against let's say, Microsoft's next system. If the emphasis on hardware and graphics persists MS is gonna have a system that many 3rd parties will have a problem supporting, due to production costs that are too high and can't be recouped. The PS3 isn't cheap to develop for either, but it could prove itself as a better platform for many devs...

-As devs get more experienced with the PS3 architecture, it'll be easier work for them. Less stress, faults, bugs, less manpower needed. Lower developmrnt cost and higher quality. Sounds good to me...

-In the next few years the PS3 hardware will be cheaper to produce. From that I hear price cuts. From there I see buyers coming. In the end we're gonna have a bigger fanbase that could generate high profits, and again, be a viable system even if it's old (see PS2).

-Well, Sony improves. See PSN service, games on PSN, projects such as HOME, big online games. That should draw buyers in with the right advertising, don't ya think?

These are some of the things I see in the PS3's future, some of them are feeback to yours, Pristine.

HOME itself and the social networking and all it pormises make it look like it was meant for ps4

 

I'm glad they will release it for PS3 then :)

 

Me too. But this is proof that the ps4 isn't coming in the standard 5 years.

 

Yeah, I would hate to get a PS3 and a new PS-class system not long after that. My PS2 is serving me for almost 6 years now... and it will probably serve me until it dies. (and then I'll get another one :) ).

 

Haha...my ps2 is biting dust because I have a BC ps3 but it's currently resting in peace till Sony fixes it lol. So the ps2 just might see life again!

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

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leo-j on 16 September 2008
HappySqurriel said:

You can make all the reasons why the 10 year plan might possibly work, but the reality is that the only systems to (really) survive past the beginning of the next generation were the market leaders. The reason for this is simple, the market leader has value beyond its processing power and features because of its large library and solid support from third party publishers.

 

 So?

The ps3 isnt selling like crap like the xbox or gc were, and sony has a huge 1st party studio bigger than nintendo's as well.

The ps3 is selling very well, and jus tbecause its not selling better than paper(wii) doesnt mean its dead.

 



 

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woopah on 16 September 2008

he never said the PS3 was dead just that it wasnt the market leder. i see sony releasing their console about 6 months after nintendo launches theres, so in about 5 years



 nintendo fanboy, but the good kind

proud soldier of nintopia

 

Pristine20 on 16 September 2008
woopah said:
he never said the PS3 was dead just that it wasnt the market leder. i see sony releasing their console about 6 months after nintendo launches theres, so in about 5 years

 

 Nintendo can release new hardware because of how much they've made this gen and the fact that their system is already outdated (specs-wise) this gen but

1. sony hasn't made the funds to follow suit.

2. if motion or whatever is the new way, such a controller can be released for ps3, it's not necessary to release entirely new hardware.

3. if they're releasing a control for ps3 in the near future, why is home taking it's sweet time and why the swarm of firmware updates?



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 16 September 2008
HappySqurriel said:

You can make all the reasons why the 10 year plan might possibly work, but the reality is that the only systems to (really) survive past the beginning of the next generation were the market leaders. The reason for this is simple, the market leader has value beyond its processing power and features because of its large library and solid support from third party publishers.

 

 This gen is quite different from the previous gens. Upgrades have primarily been about power boosts. Thats not the priority anymore. Ps3 is said to be "over-engineered" for  this gen's standards even. Don't you think perhaps, this engineering is what was meant for next-gen...just a thought. This is why, regardless of it's position at this time the black monster would most likely be sticking around even when nintendo releases a more powerful console to catch up with current standards.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

HappySqurriel on 16 September 2008
leo-j said:
HappySqurriel said:

You can make all the reasons why the 10 year plan might possibly work, but the reality is that the only systems to (really) survive past the beginning of the next generation were the market leaders. The reason for this is simple, the market leader has value beyond its processing power and features because of its large library and solid support from third party publishers.

 

 So?

The ps3 isnt selling like crap like the xbox or gc were, and sony has a huge 1st party studio bigger than nintendo's as well.

The ps3 is selling very well, and jus tbecause its not selling better than paper(wii) doesnt mean its dead.

 

 

I never said that the PS3 was dead ...

What you seem to miss though is that projects on the scale of PS3 games have only (really) been justified because of the combined XBox 360, PS3 and PC market and as the minimum requirements of most PC games surpass the HD consoles abilities (within 12 to 18 months) and the XBox 360 is replaced (within 24 months) it will become very difficult to justify PS3 development; consider that Gamecube/XBox games were about 1/4 to 1/2 of PS3 development which means that the PS3 would need a userbase of 40 Million to 80 Million people before it was as good of a prospect to support as the XBox and Gamecube were.

Now, beyond that you have to consider who is currently (and fore the foreseeable future) buying the PS3 ... early adopter graphic-whore/videophiles ... these people are the most likely to buy into the "next generation" of consoles being that they will (easily) surpass the current generation of consoles in every way while still maintaining an affordable price point.