You could very easily be taking what he said out of context because you don't have the entirety of the speech. "Its the right thing to do" to me sounds like providing sex education to kids, not to kindergartners (because he made fun of the idea like it was ludicrous).
The misrepresentation of the Palin interview on ABC is a perfect example of how this can happen by people hearing what they want to hear.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
It could go either way, but the way it sounded to me, was he does want sex education for any age in school (as long as it's age appropriate), and he was making fun of the guy using that fact against him.
Kind of like saying. I think people of all color should get collage scholarships.. and then having a speech where I say:
I can even remember him using this in a campaign against me saying "Mafoo supports giving collage scholarships to eskimo people" and... which... [chuckle] I didn't know what to tell him. But it's the right thing to do...
dtewi said: I'm 13 and I could not care who gets elected.
I mean REALLY don't care.
I care so little, that if I was a bear, I would be called an Un-care Bear.
That's so sad. When I was your age I was out campaigning for Carter. I was still really pissed off at Ford for pardoning Nixon (although as a placeholder president Ford wasn't that bad).
Glad to see someone is proclaiming the truth without citing a single source.
I didn't hear him say anything about giving sex education to kindergartners. I heard him say give "age-appropriate" sex education to children, which is pretty much what we are doing now. He didn't say it was appropriate to give sex education to kindergartners.
He even laughed at how McCain claiming he wanted to do this was ridiculous.
He said his opponent was accusing him of giving sex education to Kindergartners, and he said he didn't know how to respond. Then said "but it's the right thing to do".
AGE APPROPRIATE means kindergarten? WTF, this is called sleazy...even for the republican party:
Education Week says Obama 'hasn't made a significant mark on education'. That he's 'elusive' on accountability. A 'staunch defender of the existing public school monopoly.' Obama's one accomplishment? Legislation to teach 'comprehensive sex education' to kindergartners.' --McCain "Education" Ad, September 7, 2008.
A new McCain ad caricatures Barack Obama's education record by claiming that his only achievement is to pass legislation ensuring "comprehensive sex education" for kindergartners. It implies that its critique of the Democratic presidential nominee has been endorsed by the non-partisan journal Education Week, when in fact it is a hotch-potch of quotes from a variety of sources stitched together to form a highly partisan political attack.
The Facts
Education Week bills itself as the "journal of record" for education professionals. In March last year, it ran a generally positive article about Obama, describing him as one of several Democratic candidates with a demonstrated interest in education policy. The article noted that Obama had gained considerable "grassroots experience" of education problems in Chicago as the member of a board of a school reform initiative known as the Annenberg Challenge. It went on to say that he had not made "a significant mark on education policy" in either the Illinois Senate or the U.S. Senate, but had pushed for the expansion of early childhood education.
The McCain ad includes captions attributing the quotes on accountability and Obama's alleged support for "the existing public school monopoly" to a Washington Post editorial and an op-ed in the Chicago Tribune. (Needless to say, the ad omitted the Post's criticism of McCain for failing to come up with a detailed education plan.) But a casual viewer or listener could easily get the impression that all the quotes came from Education Week.
The McCain ad is wrong when it claims--in a voice dripping with sarcasm--that Obama's "one accomplishment" in the education field was the sex education bill for kindergartners. While it is true that Obama supported the bill, he was not one of the sponsors. As far as kindergartners were concerned, the principal purpose of the bill was to make them aware of the risk of inappropriate touching and sexual predators. Other states, including California and Massachusetts, have passed similar legislation.
Obama was more closely identified with other education legislation in the Illinois State Senate, including a 2003 bill to double the number of Chicago charter schools from 15 to 30, which he co-sponsored. On substance, Obama has attempted to tread a fine line between his opposition to vouchers and his support for greater choice for parents, including support for charter schools. In a speech in Dayton earlier this week, he proposed doubling the funding for "responsible charter schools," along the lines of the earlier Chicago experiment.
Now, if ypu're stupid to believe this ad, and many other, thenmaybe you SHOULDN'T be voting for Barack Obama. That's like saying John McCaain is soft on communist because he supports stronger ties with Vietnam...WTF, and to post this video as if it's proof of Obama such a stupid policy is just sleazy and disgusting,...period.
"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."
PDF said: This is exactly what I hate about Obama. He talks about change and how McCain uses the same old politics but yet he is using the same old politics too.
Hypocrisy is a huge pet peeve for me. However I still think he is what the Country needs more than McCain.
Seems we are on the same page. I do not think McCain is the best choice for Pres... But it looks like there is no alternative.
Are you guys for real? I think Obama needs to get even more nasty if he wants to win. The republicans have run some of the most disgraceful campaigns under Karl Rove and now McCain is following the same path.
Negative campaigns only exist because they work. This is extremely sad and pathetic, but people keep falling for it.
Republicans have learned a few neat things, primarily:
1.) The bigger the lie, the more people are willing to accept it. Most people will see through small lies - after all, we all commit small lies on a regular basis, whether "little white lies" or otherwise. People can't fathom the truly large and disgusting lies, lies that they themselves would never commit. It's easier to accept the perception that a greater lie is the truth than it would be to accept that even a politican would commit a lie so large.
2.) If you repeat a lie, over and over again, there are a certain percentage of people who will believe it no matter what. The other, larger percentage of people, will generally dismiss it as "politicians being politicians", and unless the lie/attack is so disgraceful and so severely debunked on a widespread basis, it will not negatively effect their opinion. The small percentage of people that accepted the lie are lost to the opposition for good.
I would have never believed year 2000 McCain would do this :( Back when the straight talk express really was straight talk
I like how you ignore Obama doing the same things. It's funny really.
It's all happening because Obama turned down McCain's plan for 10 debates on the issues... because Obama doesn't like debates and answering unexpected questions.
He would rather things be set up like the Lincoln Douglas debates which were really just long speaches where you primarily insulted the other candidate.
When you're meeting a guy 2-3 times a month for a debate you really can't say stuff about him in adds.
At this rate I expect Obama to run out the clock or have a token debate. We really don't have much time left.
Barrack Hussein Obama is the best bigjon can come up with?
Better line would have been: "Barrack's for Osama"
Epilogue: I know, pretty pointless post right? not exactly AAA funny stuff either, but hey, it's an entirely useless thread, and you'll took the bait and gave the baby his bottle. I figured I might as well make some use of the thread by increasing my post count by one. (sarcasm if you hadn't noticed)
4. McCain Campaign Add Acuses Obama of supporting Sex-Ed for Kinderergarden. Obama says they are lying through their teeth.
The Truth- Obama is lying through his teeth about NOT supporting it. I have seen the bill which he pushed through the Illinios State senate which specifically calls for Sex-ed for Kindergarden. Also, I heard a clip of him saying sex-ed for kindergarden was "the right thing to do". Talking about the pot calling the kettle black.
This is going to cause an arguement but here goes...
I'm all for this. I think kids should be taught sex ed from the minute they ask where babies come from (around 5 or 6 when their minds become inquisitive) I think lying to them about sex and reproduction does far more harm than good. If I were president I would call for that change.
4. McCain Campaign Add Acuses Obama of supporting Sex-Ed for Kinderergarden. Obama says they are lying through their teeth.
The Truth- Obama is lying through his teeth about NOT supporting it. I have seen the bill which he pushed through the Illinios State senate which specifically calls for Sex-ed for Kindergarden. Also, I heard a clip of him saying sex-ed for kindergarden was "the right thing to do". Talking about the pot calling the kettle black.
This is going to cause an arguement but here goes...
I'm all for this. I think kids should be taught sex ed from the minute they ask where babies come from (around 5 or 6 when their minds become inquisitive) I think lying to them about sex and reproduction does far more harm than good. If I were president I would call for that change.
How can you support the ideas of Barrack Hussein Osama??
PDF said: This is exactly what I hate about Obama. He talks about change and how McCain uses the same old politics but yet he is using the same old politics too.
Hypocrisy is a huge pet peeve for me. However I still think he is what the Country needs more than McCain.
Seems we are on the same page. I do not think McCain is the best choice for Pres... But it looks like there is no alternative.
Are you guys for real? I think Obama needs to get even more nasty if he wants to win. The republicans have run some of the most disgraceful campaigns under Karl Rove and now McCain is following the same path.
Negative campaigns only exist because they work. This is extremely sad and pathetic, but people keep falling for it.
Republicans have learned a few neat things, primarily:
1.) The bigger the lie, the more people are willing to accept it. Most people will see through small lies - after all, we all commit small lies on a regular basis, whether "little white lies" or otherwise. People can't fathom the truly large and disgusting lies, lies that they themselves would never commit. It's easier to accept the perception that a greater lie is the truth than it would be to accept that even a politican would commit a lie so large.
2.) If you repeat a lie, over and over again, there are a certain percentage of people who will believe it no matter what. The other, larger percentage of people, will generally dismiss it as "politicians being politicians", and unless the lie/attack is so disgraceful and so severely debunked on a widespread basis, it will not negatively effect their opinion. The small percentage of people that accepted the lie are lost to the opposition for good.
I would have never believed year 2000 McCain would do this :( Back when the straight talk express really was straight talk
I like how you ignore Obama doing the same things. It's funny really.
It's all happening because Obama turned down McCain's plan for 10 debates on the issues... because Obama doesn't like debates and answering unexpected questions.
He would rather things be set up like the Lincoln Douglas debates which were really just long speaches where you primarily insulted the other candidate.
When you're meeting a guy 2-3 times a month for a debate you really can't say stuff about him in adds.
At this rate I expect Obama to run out the clock or have a token debate. We really don't have much time left.
The 10 debate plan was the best one.
I like how you ignore that in this very same thread, I accused the Obama camp of distortions, and then you accuse me of ignoring what the Obama administration does. It's pretty frickin hilarious. If you can show me ONE instance where the Obama campaign has done anything remotely as sleazy as this newest unbelievable incident, this "kindergartner sex ed fiasco", I will eat crow. But you can't, because it doesn't exist. Saying that McCain wants to be in Iraq for 100 years is a distortion. Saying that Obama is trying to teach Kindergartners about sex and sexual relationships + the explicit imagery required is a total fabrication.
What's also funny is how you step into these threads to bash Obama and always ignore whatever McCain is doing. The first thing you did when you entered this thread was equate Obama to Bush Republicans... you totally ignored the crap that Bigjon was spewing, because I guess you were ok with it.
When I have kids, I sure as hell hope that their teachers will help reinforce the concept of "stranger danger" at school. They'll probably be too afraid of the RR PTA moms to do it though.
And what you're doing right now about Obama turning down 10 debates? That's a distortion right there. Just because Obama wanted Lincoln Douglas style debates and McCain asked for town hall style forums, you're going to go out and say Obama doesn't like debates? Wow. And then you took the Lincoln Douglas debate format and simplified it to "you primarily insult the other candidate". Great work. Begin slow clap.
