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Riachu on 12 September 2008
Soriku said:

@CrazzyMan

Yes, more space CAN allow for more gameplay, BUT devs decide to make up most of the game filled with audio and graphics instead of actual gameplay. There should be more PS3 games with gameplay taking up most of the disc instead of audio and graphics. They can make great audio and graphics on the PS3 but they don't need to go all out to make a good game. For PS3 owners though, graphics are the most important things apparently -_- A good/great PS3 with gameplay taking up most of the disc while audio and graphics (cel shaded would be cool :3) still sound very good would be really awesome. Why can't devs do that? It's not like the mass market wants the best graphics possible for their games >_>

The real reason why some games are short is because they were intended to be relatively short.  It has nothing to do with disk space

 



 

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Shadowblind on 12 September 2008
CrazzyMan said:
@Shadowblind,
yeah, 100h, it was just 60h a hour ago.))

anyway, for low quality graphics much space is NOT needed.

Ok, while I try to figure out what 100hours 60 hours a hour ago could possibly mean, I will start by saying that Tales of vesperia has some of the best graphics I have seen in a video game to date. Mind you not detail, so much as style and amazing physics and subdetail in their clothes and animations. The out-of-battle backgrounds are fantastic. Calling it low quality is either stupid or fanboyish. Or both.

 



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CrazzyMan on 12 September 2008
Shadowblind said:
CrazzyMan said:
@Shadowblind,
yeah, 100h, it was just 60h a hour ago.))

anyway, for low quality graphics much space is NOT needed.

Ok, while I try to figure out what 100hours 60 hours a hour ago could possibly mean, I will start by saying that Tales of vesperia has some of the best graphics I have seen in a video game to date. Mind you not detail, so much as style and amazing physics and subdetail in their clothes and animations. The out-of-battle backgrounds are fantastic. Calling it low quality is either stupid or fanboyish. Or both. 

said a guy with avatar from ToV game.
Try this: http://www.gametrailers.com/game/5928.html

@Soriku, x360 already almost 3 years on the market.
Next year ps3 will be on it`s 3rd year, you will have PLENTY jrpgs.

VC has Unique graphics. What low?? Are you nuts?



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

HanzoTheRazor on 12 September 2008

Ferk... 360 fanboys are very optimistic!



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Riachu on 12 September 2008
Soriku said:
What does MS charging for more than 2 discs have to do with what we're talking about?

Also, ToV may have "low quality" graphics (compared to other HD console games) but the game looks great because of its art style. Why can't more devs do that on the PS3?

Sega is pushing in the right direction. Valkyria has "low quality" graphics but the art style makes it look amazing (best looking game on the PS3 IMO). They're focusing on the gameplay, and the main game is like 50-60 hours. Why can't more devs strive to do that?

A game being long or short has nothing to do with disk space.  It has to do with the target gameplay time that the designers intended.

 

Problem is that Western developers don't use cel shading that much in their games.  Don't know why though.

 



 

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Riachu on 12 September 2008
Soriku said:

@Raichu

Exactly the point I'm trying to make to Crazzy. Larger discs space=/=longer game. There is potential for making a larger game with more disc space but most devs decide to fill the disc with cinematics, graphics, audio, etc. and make gameplay secondary.

Believe me.  If the developers wanted to make these games longer, they would just make the game use multiple disks.

 



 

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Shadowblind on 12 September 2008
CrazzyMan said:
Shadowblind said:
CrazzyMan said:
@Shadowblind,
yeah, 100h, it was just 60h a hour ago.))

anyway, for low quality graphics much space is NOT needed.

Ok, while I try to figure out what 100hours 60 hours a hour ago could possibly mean, I will start by saying that Tales of vesperia has some of the best graphics I have seen in a video game to date. Mind you not detail, so much as style and amazing physics and subdetail in their clothes and animations. The out-of-battle backgrounds are fantastic. Calling it low quality is either stupid or fanboyish. Or both.

said a guy with avatar from ToV game.
Try this: http://www.gametrailers.com/game/5928.html

@Soriku, x360 already almost 3 years on the market.
Next year ps3 will be on it`s 3rd year, you will have PLENTY jrpgs.

VC has Unique graphics. What low?? Are you nuts?

Yes, it does look almost identical to DBZ Burst Limit. And um...you do understand that this is a fighting game right? They will almost always have better character models then an open world JRPG. Compare Soul Calibur 4.

 And your **** rightit was said by the guy with the ToV avatar.



GOTY Contestants this year: Dead Space 2, Dark Souls, Tales of Graces f. Everything else can suck it.

CrazzyMan on 12 September 2008
Soriku said:

@Raichu

Exactly the point I'm trying to make to Crazzy. Larger discs space=/=longer game. There is potential for making a larger game with more disc space but most devs decide to fill the disc with cinematics, graphics, audio, etc. and make gameplay secondary.

So far 4 disc IU game would potentially have longer gameplay.

@Shadowblind, you must be blind, if  you can`t see anime-like graphics in naruto game. http://www.gametrailers.com/player/38879.html -> IT has OPEN world too.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

Shadowblind on 12 September 2008
CrazzyMan said:
Soriku said:

@Raichu

Exactly the point I'm trying to make to Crazzy. Larger discs space=/=longer game. There is potential for making a larger game with more disc space but most devs decide to fill the disc with cinematics, graphics, audio, etc. and make gameplay secondary.

So far 4 disc IU game would potentially have longer gameplay.

@Shadowblind, you must be blind, if  you can`t see anime-like graphics in naruto game.

 

 I don't remember saying that at all. Please reread my post.



GOTY Contestants this year: Dead Space 2, Dark Souls, Tales of Graces f. Everything else can suck it.

ClaudeLv250 on 12 September 2008
Riachu said:
Soriku said:
Nice for IU. I wasn't surprised unlike some with sales though. It's a new tri-Ace game exclusive to the 360...what do you expect? Some of these low predictions were...pathetic.

Also, lol at CrazzyMan's less disc space = shorter game. Well OK, Heavenly Sword is 5 hours with many GB space on it, but a game like FF VIII on the PS1 has like 4 discs that don't hold nearly as much as blu ray discs but that game is 30+ hours (main stories only I'm talking about). A for effort though. =))

Tri-Ace are quite famous with the core gaming community in Japan.  Imagine, if IU could do 70K in one day, who knows how many copies SO4 will sell(both one day and lifetime).  CladueLv50=pwned for having low expectations for IU' sales.  Not all of Tri-Ace's game were smash hits but at the same time, none of them were bombs(I am talking about in terms of sales, of course).  IU is clearly no exception.

 

What are you talking about? I said I expected it to do less than Vesperia and it did (however, since it's not bundle its numbers are a little impressive) so I guess I pwned everyone in the end then.



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