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wfz on 08 September 2008

Yes the screens do look amazing, but in the end I doubt the graphics will be a deciding factor on how fun this game is. =P

Onyxmeth, it's cool, I'm not here to bicker back and forth about this anyways. I was never arguing over the Miyamoto deal, so I won't say anything about that. It's nice to know you're a level headed person though, judging by your polite responses.



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Goddbless on 08 September 2008
wfz said:
Onyxmeth said:
wfz said:
Onyxmeth said:

On the other hand, Donkey Kong Country was the force that allowed Nintendo to venture past the Sega Genesis completely and the series helped keep Nintendo relevant until the N64 released. It appears Rare helped Nintendo out more than Nintendo helped Rare out after all.

 

Those are some nicely picked out examples, and I hardly believe that this allows us to get anywhere near an answer. The amount of information we need to know before drawing a conclusion about these two companies together is a lot more than just these examples.  Of course, you can always take the easy way like you have done and draw your conclusion out of a few nicely chosen examples. Not what I'd expect from a mod though, to be honest.

 

Anyways, I loved SF Adventures. =P

 

They were the only relevant examples available. Do you have counters to them? I never said it gives anyone an answer, I was simply answering a very bold statement made by a member stating that Miyamoto was responsible for Rare's success and without him they are shit. These finely chosen examples were pasted to counter that statement, nothing more. What conslusion did I draw for myself, that it looks like Miyamoto didn't play much of a hand in Rare's games? Find me something that says he did in a positive way.

What about what I said wasn't mod-like though? Was it breaking forum rules? Should I stay in my ivory tower and let the little people fight the battles on the ground? I think you're taking my title a bit too seriously.

 

 

The quoting got a little long so I just kept the part where you drew your conclusion. You did show that with those examples, Miyamoto didn't appear to be helping Rare much, but we also didn't dive very deep into those games. Was there nothing he did at all to help? That's fine if true, but it doesn't say anything about that. You said: " It appears Rare helped Nintendo out more than Nintendo helped Rare out after all," yet your post hardly proves that. What you were proving was that Miyamoto didn't help out with those games, but that doesn't mean at all that Rare helped Nintendo out more than Nintendo helped out Rare. That's the problem with your conclusion.

The reason why I was nagging on you is because regular users tend to look up to mods, and it's commonly thought of around the internet that mods are supposed to set good examples for other users to follow. Picking out those few cases to prove that Miyamoto didn't help Rare with those games is fine, but trying to draw a conclusion that Nintendo didn't help Rare as much as Rare helped Nintendo and implying as far that Nintendo even needed Rare to stay "relevent" is obsurd.

 

I think you actually need to read the article those qoutes came from. It is very informative and shows that Miyamoto wasn't very fond of Rare.



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Ari_Gold on 08 September 2008

can't wait for this game... for $40 buxx i think its a steal, i hope all you ninty fans that loved BK before... give this game a chance.... even if its on an xbox console... find a friend that owns a 360, and rent the damn game.... just for the nostalgia...



wfz on 08 September 2008
Goddbless said:
wfz said:
Onyxmeth said:
wfz said:
Onyxmeth said:

On the other hand, Donkey Kong Country was the force that allowed Nintendo to venture past the Sega Genesis completely and the series helped keep Nintendo relevant until the N64 released. It appears Rare helped Nintendo out more than Nintendo helped Rare out after all.

 

Those are some nicely picked out examples, and I hardly believe that this allows us to get anywhere near an answer. The amount of information we need to know before drawing a conclusion about these two companies together is a lot more than just these examples.  Of course, you can always take the easy way like you have done and draw your conclusion out of a few nicely chosen examples. Not what I'd expect from a mod though, to be honest.

 

Anyways, I loved SF Adventures. =P

 

They were the only relevant examples available. Do you have counters to them? I never said it gives anyone an answer, I was simply answering a very bold statement made by a member stating that Miyamoto was responsible for Rare's success and without him they are shit. These finely chosen examples were pasted to counter that statement, nothing more. What conslusion did I draw for myself, that it looks like Miyamoto didn't play much of a hand in Rare's games? Find me something that says he did in a positive way.

What about what I said wasn't mod-like though? Was it breaking forum rules? Should I stay in my ivory tower and let the little people fight the battles on the ground? I think you're taking my title a bit too seriously.

 

 

The quoting got a little long so I just kept the part where you drew your conclusion. You did show that with those examples, Miyamoto didn't appear to be helping Rare much, but we also didn't dive very deep into those games. Was there nothing he did at all to help? That's fine if true, but it doesn't say anything about that. You said: " It appears Rare helped Nintendo out more than Nintendo helped Rare out after all," yet your post hardly proves that. What you were proving was that Miyamoto didn't help out with those games, but that doesn't mean at all that Rare helped Nintendo out more than Nintendo helped out Rare. That's the problem with your conclusion.

The reason why I was nagging on you is because regular users tend to look up to mods, and it's commonly thought of around the internet that mods are supposed to set good examples for other users to follow. Picking out those few cases to prove that Miyamoto didn't help Rare with those games is fine, but trying to draw a conclusion that Nintendo didn't help Rare as much as Rare helped Nintendo and implying as far that Nintendo even needed Rare to stay "relevent" is obsurd.

 

I think you actually need to read the article those qoutes came from. It is very informative and shows that Miyamoto wasn't very fond of Rare.

I was never arguing over the Miyamoto vs Rare deal. I was simply stating that the evidence isn't enough to draw a conclusion either way. My main point wasn't even regarding that, it was the fact that the evidence in no way implies that Rare helped Nintendo more than Nintendo helped Rare. All it implies is that Rare helped Nintendo a lot. There's a difference. Also, drawing the conclusion that Nintendo needed rare to stand against Sega is obsurd. Onyxmeth already said it was a typo, and that he meant to say "snes" instead of "Nintendo." Whether or not that's true that the snes needed Rare is up in the air, but since there isn't any factual way to find out, it's all up to opinion at this point.