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Sephiroth357 on 04 September 2008
axumblade said:
Timmah! said:
TheRealMafoo said:
steven787 said:

I don't think Jesus would approve of War in his name.

Do you?

 

Umm... we are talking about the same Jesus that told his people to kill in his name as he was being sent to the cross right?

It's up for debate as to what he really meant (kill all jews, kill the people who turned on him, etc), but he did say for all practical purposes to go start a war in his name.

 

What in the hell are you talking about??

My thoughts exactly. It sounds like he's referring to Jihad (you know...the thing that Muslim extremists misinterpret into saying "dear followers, kill everyone and strap this bomb on your hip. love, allah.") It actually means something completely different. My muslim friend who moved back to the middle east told me that.

 

And Sarah Palin needs to STFU&DIAF if she thinks this war was a "task that is from god."

 


Why are you using stereotypes? I have read the Quran(Muslim Holy book) and it never mentioned anything about committing suicide. Also Jihad doesn't mean what you said it does, for it has two meanings. Your friend is giving you the wrong information.


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steven787 on 04 September 2008
Coca-Cola said:
steven787 said:
Coca-Cola said:
steven787 said:
Coca-Cola said:
Liberals are scared for some reason.
If she is not a good candidate, then fine, she might not have been a good selection for mcCain, but I don't know why liberals so scared.
It's like Clarence thomas thing. I think liberals should have been scared then, but not for thi

I know you're talking about Democrat-liberals, but I just want to say, you are right:

As a classical liberal/moderate libertarian and I am scared by her.

 

She's dangerous.  Hearing a potential president say that a war is a "task that is from God" is scary.

your posts don't make you sound like a libertarian at all.

If you were, then you would be far far far away from Obama.

But I'll take your word for it.

 

 

I think you are confusing libertarian with Libertarian, but I will explain anyway.

I believe that a free market, a free mind, and a free hand are essential to living out my utopian fantasy.  That is all it is though.  A fantasy.  In reality, the world is full of bad things that one person cannot overcome on their own.

Democrats want your wallet, Republicans want everything else.

For some reason, Libertarians tend to align them selves with the Republicans because of lower taxes, and talk about free markets and less government spending (which neither party acts to lower the role of government).

But there are two elements to libertarianism.  Economic freedom AND social freedom.  Libertarians tend to forego the second to get the first.

 

Now, I'll go over the pragmatic parts

4th and 5th amendments have been abridged because of the Patriot Act in the name of "National Security" - a largely republican baby, but Dems have been voting for it because of fear of looking weak or being called unpatriotic (which really pisses me off but they will stop that bullshit when there's a Democratic president).

1st amendment, religious right and Republicans want to eliminate many forms of expression.

2nd amendment, Republicans keep saying Dems want to take away guns, but I haven't seen any serious gun ban proposals in the U.S on the Federal level.

Even if Democrats do pass socialized medicine and increase funding for schools, which won't happen, it would be a hell of a lot better than the abominable corruption in the "free market" medical industry and schools we have now. (Schools is one place I differ from pure libertarianism)

Foreign Policy: Democrats promote a plan much closer to libertarian and Libertarian foreign policy than the Reupublicans.  Ask Ron Paul or any real Libertarian what they think of Republican foreign policy.  I also believe the power to wage war lies in Congress' hands, not the executive.

thanks for that.

It's weird that you think that the Republicans are the problem for the above mentioned.  I blame the lliberal Democrats for them.  Crazy thing about politics I guess and we can agree to disagree, but

It just seem like you don't trust/like people of Christian faith - I don't get that.

 

 

 

Huh??

How can any one of the things I bolded be switched?

1st amendment, how are Democrats more against the first amendment?

2nd, what year did elected Democrats in the Federal government vote to ban guns?  When was it part of their platform?

Republicans are saying they want to "Universal Health care"? I don't remember hearing that.

Republicans vote to take money away from public schools, by offering vouchers for kids to go to religious schools (also against the 1st amendment, endorsing a church).

Foreign Policy: I already know you say things to attack those who disagree, but just saying that about foreign policy means you have no idea what you are talking about.  Even a partisan, with a clue would keep their mouth shut on that one.

 

When did I say I don't trust people of "the Christian Faith" (commonly called: Christians)?

I have nothing against people who do not try to force their values on to me. (convince is one thing, force is another.)

I will not vote for some one who wants to push their religious values on other people with laws.

 

I do not believe the government shoud be involved in our personal lives.  At all. It's bound to happen, in reality, but they should be limeted to collecting taxes and providing services.  What and how much SHOULD BE up to debate. Instead we waste our time arguing over who's religion is right, and spending tax dollars to oppress each other.

The same could be said about Green Peace or PETA, sure, but the DNC doesn't sound like a PETA convention - they talk about what they want the government to do.  The RNC sounds like a very bad church sermon - they talk about what they want the government to not let you do.

 

A little tip for you to win arguments or convince people in the future.  When you want to attack the values of your opponent, do not attack when they are smarter than you.  Do not question those values, when you think they might answer.  Stick with the good points about your side. Attacks are best saved for the absent opponent, who can't defend themselves.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

senseinobaka on 05 September 2008
That Guy said:
i think she's sort of hot

 

 If you think she's hot you should see her two older daughters. YIKES!



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akuma587 on 05 September 2008
Timmah! said:

The phrase "for God and Country" has traditionally been used for soldiers going off to war. It's not a religious statement calling for a holy war, nor is it suggesting that the war itself is ordained by God. The suggestion here is that the soldiers are doing good (if you believe that selflessly risking your own safety protecting the Iraqi people, liberating them, etc is good, this makes sense), and that doing good in this case is God's will. It's more about the decision of the individual soldier to selflessly serve his country than anything else. This statement is being blown way out of proportion. If she'd have said it on the campaign trail, then it would be crazy. In a church or prayer setting, however, it's about the individual soldiers, not the overall war effort.

Tell that to the 1 million+ people who are dead now.  I am sure they and their families are all ecstatic that the U.S. invaded their country!

 



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akuma587 on 05 September 2008

I have something against Christians, and I AM one. They are soiling all the ideals this country was founded on.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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Paul on 05 September 2008
bigjon said:
Thats the ticket attack her religious beliefs...

Most Christians believe in something known as the soveriegnty of God. They believe that God is in control, and everything that heads onto your path came from God, or he allowed it.

Let me ask, what do you believe in? What controls what? Fate? destiny? You believe in something. Do you want people to trash what you believe.

It was god that gave me these anal warts??? That explains a lot... I'm going to run down to my church quick and pray for forgiveness.

 



Paul on 05 September 2008
Esmoreit said:
What? No one found my awesome Paintpicture awesome enough to mention?!

 

 I thought it was very nice and it made me chuckle.



oliist on 05 September 2008

Oh god! *roll eyes*



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azrm2k on 05 September 2008
axumblade said:

I wasn't using stereotypes. I was referring to extremist Muslims. Not saying Muslims were extremists. Just like christian extremists protest everything else (godhatesfag.com anyone?). I don't really condemn any religion personally, I just simply do not like the extremist takes that people have on certain religions.

Also, it was a few years ago that she left for Saudi Arabia so I might not remember the interpretation as accurately as I thought I did. But I had always heard that Jihad was purposely "misinterpretted" by extremists that used to it justify what they were doing. I could be completely wrong about that though.

 

Don't worry.  You didn't say anything incorrect.  Obviously you weren't insinuating that Muslims want to/told by the Quran to go commit suicide.  But there are Muslim extremists out there who use suicide bombing and that's a fact.

I don't know what two meanings Jihad has that Sephiroth is talking about.  I learned it as the word Jihad means struggle.  Just like the English word struggle Jihad can be used in various contexts, many peaceful which is probably what your friend was trying to explain to you.



Coca-Cola on 05 September 2008
Paul said:
bigjon said:
Thats the ticket attack her religious beliefs...

Most Christians believe in something known as the soveriegnty of God. They believe that God is in control, and everything that heads onto your path came from God, or he allowed it.

Let me ask, what do you believe in? What controls what? Fate? destiny? You believe in something. Do you want people to trash what you believe.

It was god that gave me these anal warts??? That explains a lot... I'm going to run down to my church quick and pray for forgiveness.

 

I'm sure it's something you did, not God.

You don't have to believe in God but i don't understand the hate.  Many christians don't like what I believe but I don't think they hate me.