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I believe there is no god. I do not follow any religion. I do not want to say any bad things about any religion so not to cause any arguments.



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Rock_on_2008 said:
I believe there is no god. I do not follow any religion. I do not want to say any bad things about any religion so not to cause any arguments.

hahaha yeah otherwise people would get offended and start reporting/banning...



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appolose said:

Making up God to explain things we don't understand seems a bit far-fetched to me.  Why would anyone guess that there was a being behind natural occurences?  Why would he have guessed there was some guy living in the storm clouds throwing the bolts of lightning?  Wouldn't he have just assumed it was the cloud?

 

Animus, Latin for soul, the ancients believed that everything that moved had a soul.  The wind moved, the sea moved, and all animals moved so they had souls causing them to do so.  The souls, or beings, that controlled the wind, sea, Earth, Moon, Sun, and stars was cause for worship.  Humans had no control over these things, but whatever did was must have been very powerful and worthy of worship.  Thats why the first religions gave duties to each god.  God of wind, god of the sea, god of the river, and so forth. 

Humans created these ideas of god (gods), so it was only natural to give them characteristisc that we have.  That is why God (gods) has a personality, wants, desires, relationships, and can even have children.

Marduk, king of the Babylonian gods, is where the Hebrews got the idea of God from, as well as their creation sroty.  Marduk became king of the gods after he defeated the evil, rebelious gods (Satan and friends).  He then created earth in 6 days, feasting on the 7th, and creating man in the image of the gods.  That is why the Bible says that 'God created man in our image', because He is referring to the other gods in the Bablyonian story.



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I think that the one's who believe in god do because their parents believe in god too .I think that for the mayority of people that's the case but I am not sure.



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ManusJustus said:
appolose said:

Making up God to explain things we don't understand seems a bit far-fetched to me.  Why would anyone guess that there was a being behind natural occurences?  Why would he have guessed there was some guy living in the storm clouds throwing the bolts of lightning?  Wouldn't he have just assumed it was the cloud?

 

Animus, Latin for soul, the ancients believed that everything that moved had a soul.  The wind moved, the sea moved, and all animals moved so they had souls causing them to do so.  The souls, or beings, that controlled the wind, sea, Earth, Moon, Sun, and stars was cause for worship.  Humans had no control over these things, but whatever did was must have been very powerful and worthy of worship.  Thats why the first religions gave duties to each god.  God of wind, god of the sea, god of the river, and so forth. 

Humans created these ideas of god (gods), so it was only natural to give them characteristisc that we have.  That is why God (gods) has a personality, wants, desires, relationships, and can even have children.

Marduk, king of the Babylonian gods, is where the Hebrews got the idea of God from, as well as their creation sroty.  Marduk became king of the gods after he defeated the evil, rebelious gods (Satan and friends).  He then created earth in 6 days, feasting on the 7th, and creating man in the image of the gods.  That is why the Bible says that 'God created man in our image', because He is referring to the other gods in the Bablyonian story.

But why, and how (as per my objections above)?

About Marduk, I'm going to assert it was the other way around.

 



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appolose said:

But why, and how (as per my objections above)?

About Marduk, I'm going to assert it was the other way around.

Why?  Because humans did not understand how the world worked.  Natural events like an earthquake, flood, or volcanic eruption are well understood today, but in ancient times beings with souls (Latin animus) were thought to be causing these great events for a reason.  If an earthquake occured and destroyed a city, humans assumed that somebody with the power to shake the earth (god) was upset at the city.  Thus, they should worship this god to make sure he doesnt do it again.

Its only natural for humans to want to understand their surroundings.  When humans knew very little they attributed everything to gods.  Now that humans understand their surroundings more we no longer need mythological figures to explain things.  We still try to explain things though, its our nature, read into the Steady State Theory (countered the now accepted Big Bang Theory), Dark Matter, String Theory, etc. for humans trying to explain things they dont fully understand.

Bablyonians were around before the Hebrews, so historically and logically the Hebrews copied their religion from the Babylonians.  The Enumu Elish (sp?) even goes further than the Bible to explain in detail what the world was like before the creation of Earth, specifically the war between the good and evil gods (God and Satan) that is in Judeo-Christian mythology but barely mentioned in the Bible.



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Sky Render said:
I don't. Mostly because of a significant lack of concrete and verifiable evidence. That's just how my mind works: if it cannot be proven, I have no reason to invest any faith in it. Particularly when the evidence against is far more concrete than the evidence for.

 

o rly?  what is this all this evidence that there is no god?

 

Skepticism is always the natural stance. Therefore, if there is no evidence for something, it is assumed not to exist/have happened. There is no evidence for God, therefore he is assumed not to exist.

 I can't understand that position really. Scientifically speaking there is no evidence for or against god/gods so I choose to stay agnostic. I believe there may or may not be a super natural spirit or spirits because we cannot test for them. Without any tests there can be no definitive answer, thuse I believe what I believe.

 

Are you agnostic about Santa Claus too? If I told you that an invisible and intangible unicorn was standing beside you, would your reaction be, "well I can't prove him wrong or right", or would it be, "prove it". Your stance on whether the unicorn exists or not, is skepticism. The burden is on me to prove that the unicorn is really there.