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I knew someone would make a comment on my statement, so why did you do it? Is it because you can't wait for it to overtake also?
My point is simple...am not sure why you think what I said means its defeated, lol I could care less am not a fanboy and matter fact the ps3 was my first choice. You can back the ps3 all you want.....I just put my 2 cents in and you decided to talk about all those points that had nothing to do with what I said....



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JaggedSac said:
jpain333 said:
I actually feel sorry for people who are waiting for the ps3 to overtake the 360 in sales....to put it straight, half of the generate will have 360 in the lead and the other half will have the ps3, unless things go horribly wrong...
and when the ps3 does overtake, I doubt it will change anything...the 360 wont lose games over it, they'll both enjoy several games, and that is what should really matter to us...

 

Best post I have seen in a while.

 

It that a good thing or a bad thing? As in am not sure if you're being sarcastic or not...



jpain333 said:
I knew someone would make a comment on my statement, so why did you do it? Is it because you can't wait for it to overtake also?
My point is simple...am not sure why you think what I said means its defeated, lol I could care less am not a fanboy and matter fact the ps3 was my first choice. You can back the ps3 all you want.....I just put my 2 cents in and you decided to talk about all those points that had nothing to do with what I said....

I agree with your statements from above.  The end result will not change a thing.  M$ is already building a team that will create Halo 4 for their next box.  They are already commited to making another console.  The 360 is going to continue to get great games and deliver great content.

 

And I was actually quite serious.

 



tsk tsk the 360 doesn't stand a chance. I thought it did during the time of halo 3 but now the ps3 is just amazing. I doubt the 360 will ever pass 35 mil. quote me on it!



JaggedSac said:
jpain333 said:
I knew someone would make a comment on my statement, so why did you do it? Is it because you can't wait for it to overtake also?
My point is simple...am not sure why you think what I said means its defeated, lol I could care less am not a fanboy and matter fact the ps3 was my first choice. You can back the ps3 all you want.....I just put my 2 cents in and you decided to talk about all those points that had nothing to do with what I said....

I agree with your statements from above.  The end result will not change a thing.  M$ is already building a team that will create Halo 4 for their next box.  They are already commited to making another console.  The 360 is going to continue to get great games and deliver great content.

 

And I was actually quite serious.

 

 

Oh sorry that was directed at forevercloud3000, who made that long reply to my statment.....thanks by the way...



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why not wait a little until the next price drop (and stop creating such a thread) ???



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forevercloud3000 said:

 

I just love the statements like these that show how defeated the 360 has surely become. First 360 owners world wide spamed the interweb when it came out proclaiming it was better then the PS3 in every way. Yet now that the general populous is becoming more informed this gen you can see that any argument that trys to say the 360 can survive the PS3 onslaught is highly invalid.

1. The PS3 costs too much.

Turns out the PS3 is a much better bang for your buck. You dont have to deal with RROD, Great game selection, Built in DVD/BD player, built in WIFI, built in USB ports, SD reader, rechargable controllers, free usb cord, etc.

Yet the 40gb doesn't come with HDMI cables, for a 1080p system. Also, Wii with it's worst bang for buck but killer sales says hi!

2.The PS3 breaks down.

This one in particular is a lie I have seen employees from GStop use only to spread there propaganda. THe PS3 does break down.......sometimes. Yet it is still no where near the failure rate of the 360, being somewhere around 30-35%. RROD and disc drive failure, Disc scratching galore.

ALL ELECTRONIC GOODS RUN THE RISK OF BREAKING DOWN. Obviously the statement implies that it's frequent, but for you to call it a lie means that it never happens, which is false (try and keep up with that :D )

3.The PS3 has no games.

The PS3 has the SAME amount of games that the 360 had in the same time frame. Only thing is the 360 has a lot of games that came out multiplat with the PS2 like the sports games. If you have a BC PS3 you can still play them. PS3 also is a shoe in for MULTIPLE AAA titles this year(Little Big Planet, Resistence 2), with two of the already Perfect games being available on PS3(GTA4, MGS4).

Except the 360 came out a year earlier, and thus has more games. Life is scoreboards, there are no disclaimers about "PS3 did the same as 360 in year 1", the scoreboard says "360 has more games, 360 has more AAA titles, 360 has higher sales".

4. The PS3 won't last long.

Ten year life plan. If you think Sony cant/wont do it just look at the life cycle of there other systems. Doubters are just being stubborn.

PS3 will probably outlast the others, but they may be more sony trying to earn a profit on this venture then it's commitment to future proof systems.

5. BluRay is useless.

BluRay won over the cheaper format, HD Discs. It is now taking the DVD market in small strides. increasing 300% on a yearly basis. Blu Ray has also showen it can help with games such as packing as much content as possible in a singular disc, MGS4 anyone?

300% of 1 is 3, I'm not saying that's what the blu-ray market is right now, but that shows how much percentage figures are worth without proper numbers. Actually, all blu-ray did was allow for uncompressed data, which incidently means very little at the end of the day. MGS4 was how many hours? and we've had 30 hour games since the CD era, what did blu-ray provide?

6.Cell chips are not needed.

Then why have pretty much any developer making a Multiplat game right now have swithed to using IT as it's lead platform. Yes, the cell is a tad harder to program for then the 360, but it has shown to produce better results for both systems. No developer in there right mind will tell you the 360 can out perform the PS3, if they do they are delusional.

I agree to that, multiplatform should be on PS3 first, or else the PS3 version will suffer if 360 is lead. But that's more an indication of sony's poor judgement then smarts.

7. 360 Outsold PS3.

No......it did not. It has a larger install base, this is all. The 360 was doomed from the start, with the PS3 out pacing it in every turn. PS3 has outsold 360 every month consistently since late last year.

Outpacing it at every turn? You've paid as little attention as the person that says "360 outsold ps3"

8. Well we have Live.

Yea, that you have to PAY for every year. PSN is just about equal to Live at this current point in time, what is going to happen when HOME comes out and takes the community junky gamers by storm?

Home, a lesser version and more expensive (PS3 + internet connection) version of Second Life with less content and most likely more bugs (as it's a newly released thing). I'm sure if I were casual I would lay down $699 AUD for a chance to play something that's done better somewhere else for alot less.

Now the only defense for the system is "Yea, it might happen, but when it does it wont matter cuz 720 will be on it's way." Yea, but can the 720 stand up against a system that need not upgrade as it is already got the tech of the future and has a larger install base by default. If the 720 comes out before the PS3's ten year life cycle is up then rest assure we will never see another console war like this again, and sony will stay dominant in Hardcore gamer's households forevermore.

Okay, so if that's the case, never buy another console again. If the PS3 is truly future proof, you should be set from now on. In fact, Sony don't even need to bring out a PS4.

 

 



And who is going to buy/develop for the next Xbox? How much would it cost to develop a game for that console? How much would it cost to manufacture? If it doesn't use blu-ray. then what other option could it possibly have since global downloads aren't ready yet?

Its not as simple as it was before because of Nintendo. Graphical upgrades can't add much anymore, because hardware is outpacing the capabilities of currrent developers. It is also outpacing the returns you get from a game, especially on the extremely limited fanbase the new Xbox would have. No one would make money off of the new Xbox, and no one would upgrade to something that would cost more than the PS3 at the time unless the changes were drastic. Halo would have less appeal because it's not being developed by Bungie, and has no Master Chief.

There are too many reasons why this wouldn't work. The next Xbox would be an even bigger failure than the original if they release it before 2012. Were not ready for it yet, were just getting settled in this generation.



jpain333 said:
I knew someone would make a comment on my statement, so why did you do it? Is it because you can't wait for it to overtake also?
My point is simple...am not sure why you think what I said means its defeated, lol I could care less am not a fanboy and matter fact the ps3 was my first choice. You can back the ps3 all you want.....I just put my 2 cents in and you decided to talk about all those points that had nothing to do with what I said....

 

I was not trying to attack you in any way if that is the impression you got. I was simply refuting your argument. Your argument is that a console being dominant market leader doesn't change everything. In that case we could have all been happy with last gen, as everyconsole would have everygame. Market leader changes alot of things that should be important to gamers who own a particular console. If your console goes the way of the Dreamcast how does that not effect you? That means you no longer will be getting any games. This is BAD. If your console is Market Leader expect more exclusive games coming your way, games that will not be allowed on other systems. If last gen can be interpreted into this gen, then the 360 could possiblely get the shaft with virtually getting no games on it when it has been seen as market loser. And my very long post was mostly to get to the very last point I made in original post, That the 360 simply cannot last as long as the PS3. It does not hold the tech to survive more then a few years. PS3 does. If MS comes out with a new system and cancel all production for it's previous one (alla XBOX style) then you will be screwed as a gamer on an HD Console.

THis was my point, Sry for long Posts.



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 said:
jpain333 said:
I knew someone would make a comment on my statement, so why did you do it? Is it because you can't wait for it to overtake also?
My point is simple...am not sure why you think what I said means its defeated, lol I could care less am not a fanboy and matter fact the ps3 was my first choice. You can back the ps3 all you want.....I just put my 2 cents in and you decided to talk about all those points that had nothing to do with what I said....

 

I was not trying to attack you in any way if that is the impression you got. I was simply refuting your argument. Your argument is that a console being dominant market leader doesn't change everything. In that case we could have all been happy with last gen, as everyconsole would have everygame. Market leader changes alot of things that should be important to gamers who own a particular console. If your console goes the way of the Dreamcast how does that not effect you? That means you no longer will be getting any games. This is BAD. If your console is Market Leader expect more exclusive games coming your way, games that will not be allowed on other systems. If last gen can be interpreted into this gen, then the 360 could possiblely get the shaft with virtually getting no games on it when it has been seen as market loser. And my very long post was mostly to get to the very last point I made in original post, That the 360 simply cannot last as long as the PS3. It does not hold the tech to survive more then a few years. PS3 does. If MS comes out with a new system and cancel all production for it's previous one (alla XBOX style) then you will be screwed as a gamer on an HD Console.

THis was my point, Sry for long Posts.

Ok, I understand where you're coming from, why I said things may not change, is because my the time the ps3 overtakes the 360 in sales....the 360 will have a pretty good userbase that would keep developers making games for it, and thats the important thing for me. Now about how long the 360 can last in the market, I don't have any input other than we'll see how things go in the future.

The dreamcast failed badly, but with the userbase on the 360 double of the dreamcast and still doing decent sales on a week to week basis, am not worried about it as of now....thanks for your reply and sorry if I misunderstood anything you said.