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Beja-Beja on 30 August 2008

Discountinuing the PS2 would be like throwing away free money for Sony. Money is Money who cares where it comes from as long as it goes to Sony's pockets. The thing practically supports itself. The PS1 was selling until 2005 a year before the ps3 launched. I expect the PS2 to sell until 2010.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 30 August 2008
johnsobas said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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Million said:

Looking at the statistics for the lattest madden game

Madden 09

the XBOX 360 sold 0.9 Million

the PS2 0.57+ PS3 0.35 Sold 0.9 Million

 

Madden 08

 

XBOX 360 Sold 2.3 Million

PS3 0.8 M + PS2 2.2 Mil = 3 Mill.

 

Between 08 and 09 it's apparent that some of the PS2 fanbase has move to the 360 and Wii ( i'm guessing more 360 than Wii) but a larger percentage of next gen adopters have stayed with the Playstation brand (not neccaserily exclusivley). Between 08 and 09 we see a shift of sales , the PS3 accounting for more overall sales than the last madden.

It apears the success of the PS2 is both a saving graces for Sony ( in terms of profitability) and a limiting factor of the PS3 , the PS2 is just too good to die at this moment in time meaning that the adoption of the PS3 is slower than it otherwise would have been if the PS2 flopped following the releases of the PS3.

 

It's quite apparent that more of the ps2 owners are going to the wii than the 360. If you're using madden sales as a comparison obviously it's going to be very biased toward the 360.

 

Before you jump on him, check out the multiplat sports games differentials on the 360 and PS3. The PS2 is a thorn in the PS3's side, even though it gives Sony extra money. If they want the PS3 to get more support from the PS2 installed base, then they need to end the PS2 and allow the next gen systems to expand.

 


Yea...that's if you assume that all those people will go from the PS2 to the PS3.

You can expect a percentage to go to the PS3. If the PS2 customers get cut off they will use up the PS2 to its fill and need a new gaming experience. It doesn't matter who they go to, Sony needs to drop it.

 

Cut them off from what? Sony moved on a long time ago. The only games that are being released are games that would have no chance on the PS3 or multi-platform games. Are you saying that Sony should pull the ps2 from stores and ban 3rd parties from releasing games for it? I don't think that would go over very well, and there are so many ps2 systems out there that used system sales would continue anyway.

What Sony did last gen is no different than what they are going to do this gen with then 10 year plan. They need to cut the PS2, to ensure that more people will come to the PS3 when the serious price cuts occur after. For what they've done they have already had to cut the production costs down by half. I think that Sony should allow the rest of the shipped PS2's to sell and end the shipping of that model. PSP's can stay, because they're handhelds. This has caused a huge disproportion of consumer funds in the industry. The money is flying around everywhere and not being accounted for where it should count in this gen. I loved the PS2, I still have mine, but for the sake of the newer gen it needs to be ended, because compared to installed base, sales are horrible.

 

Why do you think that people wanting to buy the ps2 8 years after it came out are the same people that want to buy the ps3?

 

This is where price convenience and front running games come into play. The PS2 had all of that.

 



S.T.A.G.E. on 30 August 2008
Beja-Beja said:
Discountinuing the PS2 would be like throwing away free money for Sony. Money is Money who cares where it comes from as long as it goes to Sony's pockets. The thing practically supports itself. The PS1 was selling until 2005 a year before the ps3 launched. I expect the PS2 to sell until 2010.

 

 Even though Sony makes money, it throws consumer spending within a gen off course.



johnsobas on 30 August 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
johnsobas said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
johnsobas said:
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johnsobas said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
johnsobas said:
Million said:

Looking at the statistics for the lattest madden game

Madden 09

the XBOX 360 sold 0.9 Million

the PS2 0.57+ PS3 0.35 Sold 0.9 Million

 

Madden 08

 

XBOX 360 Sold 2.3 Million

PS3 0.8 M + PS2 2.2 Mil = 3 Mill.

 

Between 08 and 09 it's apparent that some of the PS2 fanbase has move to the 360 and Wii ( i'm guessing more 360 than Wii) but a larger percentage of next gen adopters have stayed with the Playstation brand (not neccaserily exclusivley). Between 08 and 09 we see a shift of sales , the PS3 accounting for more overall sales than the last madden.

It apears the success of the PS2 is both a saving graces for Sony ( in terms of profitability) and a limiting factor of the PS3 , the PS2 is just too good to die at this moment in time meaning that the adoption of the PS3 is slower than it otherwise would have been if the PS2 flopped following the releases of the PS3.

 

It's quite apparent that more of the ps2 owners are going to the wii than the 360. If you're using madden sales as a comparison obviously it's going to be very biased toward the 360.

 

Before you jump on him, check out the multiplat sports games differentials on the 360 and PS3. The PS2 is a thorn in the PS3's side, even though it gives Sony extra money. If they want the PS3 to get more support from the PS2 installed base, then they need to end the PS2 and allow the next gen systems to expand.

 


Yea...that's if you assume that all those people will go from the PS2 to the PS3.

You can expect a percentage to go to the PS3. If the PS2 customers get cut off they will use up the PS2 to its fill and need a new gaming experience. It doesn't matter who they go to, Sony needs to drop it.

 

Cut them off from what? Sony moved on a long time ago. The only games that are being released are games that would have no chance on the PS3 or multi-platform games. Are you saying that Sony should pull the ps2 from stores and ban 3rd parties from releasing games for it? I don't think that would go over very well, and there are so many ps2 systems out there that used system sales would continue anyway.

What Sony did last gen is no different than what they are going to do this gen with then 10 year plan. They need to cut the PS2, to ensure that more people will come to the PS3 when the serious price cuts occur after. For what they've done they have already had to cut the production costs down by half. I think that Sony should allow the rest of the shipped PS2's to sell and end the shipping of that model. PSP's can stay, because they're handhelds. This has caused a huge disproportion of consumer funds in the industry. The money is flying around everywhere and not being accounted for where it should count in this gen. I loved the PS2, I still have mine, but for the sake of the newer gen it needs to be ended, because compared to installed base, sales are horrible.

 

Why do you think that people wanting to buy the ps2 8 years after it came out are the same people that want to buy the ps3?

 

This is where price convenience and front running games come into play. The PS2 had all of that.

 

 

And these are the exact same people that are gonna buy the ps3 huh?



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colonelstubbs on 30 August 2008

So the PS2 being successful is....bad?

What?



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forevercloud3000 on 30 August 2008
mrstickball said:
Actually, the PS3 version is doing great. According to VGC, it's abot 350,000 unit sales below the X360 version, despite the X360 having more than twice the instal base.

So the PS2 isn't holding the PS3 back. The PS3 is holding the PS3 back. After all, why didn't the PS1 hold the PS2 back for anything? Consumers made the transition quickly, and effortlessly....Maybe it's because the PS3 is an inferior product to the X360/Wii comparison as opposed to the GC/XB comparison last gen, and users are having a harder time jumping onto a sinking ship?

 

Oh my god, I was with you until that statement. Please never spout such garbage again. The PS3 is a superior product in EVERY way to selection of games, to sturdy hardware that does not go RROD, to giving multiple free apps where the competition charges. PS3 is taking a hit for the customers and fans alike. None of the other companies can say they are doing that. This is why the PS3 out sells the 360. The Wii is the only console with bragging rights at this point in time.



      

      

      

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S.T.A.G.E. on 30 August 2008
johnsobas said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
johnsobas said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
johnsobas said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
johnsobas said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
johnsobas said:
Million said:

Looking at the statistics for the lattest madden game

Madden 09

the XBOX 360 sold 0.9 Million

the PS2 0.57+ PS3 0.35 Sold 0.9 Million

 

Madden 08

 

XBOX 360 Sold 2.3 Million

PS3 0.8 M + PS2 2.2 Mil = 3 Mill.

 

Between 08 and 09 it's apparent that some of the PS2 fanbase has move to the 360 and Wii ( i'm guessing more 360 than Wii) but a larger percentage of next gen adopters have stayed with the Playstation brand (not neccaserily exclusivley). Between 08 and 09 we see a shift of sales , the PS3 accounting for more overall sales than the last madden.

It apears the success of the PS2 is both a saving graces for Sony ( in terms of profitability) and a limiting factor of the PS3 , the PS2 is just too good to die at this moment in time meaning that the adoption of the PS3 is slower than it otherwise would have been if the PS2 flopped following the releases of the PS3.

 

It's quite apparent that more of the ps2 owners are going to the wii than the 360. If you're using madden sales as a comparison obviously it's going to be very biased toward the 360.

 

Before you jump on him, check out the multiplat sports games differentials on the 360 and PS3. The PS2 is a thorn in the PS3's side, even though it gives Sony extra money. If they want the PS3 to get more support from the PS2 installed base, then they need to end the PS2 and allow the next gen systems to expand.

 


Yea...that's if you assume that all those people will go from the PS2 to the PS3.

You can expect a percentage to go to the PS3. If the PS2 customers get cut off they will use up the PS2 to its fill and need a new gaming experience. It doesn't matter who they go to, Sony needs to drop it.

 

Cut them off from what? Sony moved on a long time ago. The only games that are being released are games that would have no chance on the PS3 or multi-platform games. Are you saying that Sony should pull the ps2 from stores and ban 3rd parties from releasing games for it? I don't think that would go over very well, and there are so many ps2 systems out there that used system sales would continue anyway.

What Sony did last gen is no different than what they are going to do this gen with then 10 year plan. They need to cut the PS2, to ensure that more people will come to the PS3 when the serious price cuts occur after. For what they've done they have already had to cut the production costs down by half. I think that Sony should allow the rest of the shipped PS2's to sell and end the shipping of that model. PSP's can stay, because they're handhelds. This has caused a huge disproportion of consumer funds in the industry. The money is flying around everywhere and not being accounted for where it should count in this gen. I loved the PS2, I still have mine, but for the sake of the newer gen it needs to be ended, because compared to installed base, sales are horrible.

 

Why do you think that people wanting to buy the ps2 8 years after it came out are the same people that want to buy the ps3?

 

This is where price convenience and front running games come into play. The PS2 had all of that.

 

 

And these are the exact same people that are gonna buy the ps3 huh?

If Sony would've played their cards right they would've had them, but they gave it up for outer-industry investments. They still have the games that Sony consumers have come to love even if they are in limbo. You cannot expect them with the PS3's performance to gather a huge percentage of that huge pie they had last gen, but trust me it will increase their chances by far more than you would think.

 



steven787 on 30 August 2008
colonelstubbs said:
So the PS2 being successful is....bad?

What?

 

No, they're trying to say that people aren't buying the PS3 because the PS2 was just so great.

It doesn't really make sense.

 

All three consoles are beating their respectively placing console of last gen:

The PS3 is prohibitively expensive but people buy it anyway.

The 360 breaks.

The Wii has shitty games. You know I don't mean it.

 

Yet all the consoles are selling more and the old-timey gamers are really confused.

 

It's like the public is out there saying, "it's okay to charge us too much, it's okays to have crappy hardware, it's okay that there's nothing to play."  And gamers are like "wut?"



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

libellule on 30 August 2008

"The PS2's success apears to be holding the PS3 back.,"

No,

I dont even understand your evidence supporting your statement ...

PS2 under 200$
PS3 over 400$

PS2 is competing versus Wii and Xbox360 arcade, not PS3.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 30 August 2008
libellule said:
"The PS2's success apears to be holding the PS3 back.,"

No,

I dont even understand your evidence supporting your statement ...

PS2 under 200$
PS3 over 400$

PS2 is competing versus Wii and Xbox360 arcade, not PS3.

 

 The PS2 is competing against nothing. The competition only lasts within its gen. The PS2 is just raking in extra money for Sony and covering the losses that the PS3 makes. The PS2's gen is over, but they continue anyway. The PS2 earlier in the year was having solid six digit console sales. The Xbox 360 arcade is going up against the Wii's $250 console, the PS3 has yet to enter the war for the larger/frugal consumer base.