Squilliam said:
It would be foolish to compare the Wii to the HD consoles because there are too many different factors. I was thinking of just comparing the Xbox 360/PS3 of last year to the Xbox 360/PS3 of this year. I think it needs to be at least Q3 and Q4 though I can be flexible here, is that it evens out the game release calenders to give the comparison consistancy. There are some important factors to think about IMO.
We are coming to the close of Q3 so we could do a snapshot since I intend to do a half way analysis for my prediction in my signature anyway which would help to guide us through until the end of the year.
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I see. It still makes more sense to me that include all games released in that timeperiod, rather than just those in one genre since there are just far too many variables that would impact one genre (Gears alone is going to shift millions of units for the shooters, for instance). Still if you want to go by Q3+4, I'd be more than happy to abide.
And actually, we're in fiscal Q2 for most companies. Fiscal years usually start in April, not January, hence my selecting Q3 rather than Q4 (Note though that this is not the way all companies do business, just the majority. Note the dates on the chart I provided earlier, which explains part of my skepticism that time will really improve things, since the chart was only four months out of date). Including the fourth quarter does seem wiser in retrospect, though, since more and more big games are coming out in January and February, to avoid the packing of the holidays.
I agree with the factors you listed, though, even if I want to broaden it up to all genres. Any objections?
noname2200 said:
I see. It still makes more sense to me that include all games released in that timeperiod, rather than just those in one genre since there are just far too many variables that would impact one genre (Gears alone is going to shift millions of units for the shooters, for instance). Still if you want to go by Q3+4, I'd be more than happy to abide. And actually, we're in fiscal Q2 for most companies. Fiscal years usually start in April, not January, hence my selecting Q3 rather than Q4 (Note though that this is not the way all companies do business, just the majority. Note the dates on the chart I provided earlier, which explains part of my skepticism that time will really improve things, since the chart was only four months out of date). Including the fourth quarter does seem wiser in retrospect, though, since more and more big games are coming out in January and February, to avoid the packing of the holidays. I agree with the factors you listed, though, even if I want to broaden it up to all genres. Any objections?
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If we included all genres, if would be difficult to track individual game releases. Theres no point making a test case harder than needed. We could either track all shooter releases or track only a certain number of overall game releases. In this case I would prefer accuracy over bredth. Furthermore the shooter genre is quite well defined, it is one of the easiest genres to classify games from.
Since this is Q2 how about we follow this pattern. Test and compare initial Q2 results with last year and finetune the process then the actually analysis starts once the fiscal Q3 begins (October 1) and ends at the end of Q4 and then comparisons can be made with financial reports etc.
Tease.
ctk495 said:
I think it means love.
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Holy shit now I get it. Thanks 
“In the entertainment business, there are only heaven and hell, and nothing in between and as soon as our customers bore of our products, we will crash.” Hiroshi Yamauchi
TAG: Like a Yamauchi pimp slap delivered by Il Maelstrom; serving it up with style.
Squilliam said:
If we included all genres, if would be difficult to track individual game releases. Theres no point making a test case harder than needed. We could either track all shooter releases or track only a certain number of overall game releases. In this case I would prefer accuracy over bredth. Furthermore the shooter genre is quite well defined, it is one of the easiest genres to classify games from. Since this is Q2 how about we follow this pattern. Test and compare initial Q2 results with last year and finetune the process then the actually analysis starts once the fiscal Q3 begins (October 1) and ends at the end of Q4 and then comparisons can be made with financial reports etc.
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There are a few more details we'll need to hammer out later on, and I actually prefer breadth in this case (since the argument you're seeking to disprove is one based on the overall market). Still, we can proceed on this basis, and if need be I'll chuck in the extra time later on to see what the rest of the data has to say. For now, let's call it an agreement, eh?
Very interesting Wizard of Oz integration. He's not saying anything that hasn't been said by himself and others before but the imagery presented makes for an entertaining read.
Ironic how many of you accused him of straw man tactics. Do those of you I refer to not realize that in itself is a straw man tactic? You debased the author himself instead of the actual content of the article. As I said, ironic.
And I may be permitted to include a pun of my own, I'd say many of you debating against the articles content are just grasping at straws.
The rEVOLution is not being televised
Squilliam said:
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"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."
Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.
Strawman? Scarecrow? Get it?
All he's saying is that people need to stop plugging their ears and going "NAH, NAH, NAH, THERE IS NO WII, NAH, NAH, NAH, WHAT BLUE OCEAN? CAN'T HEAR YOU, SALES FIGURES! NAH, NAH, NAH!" which is what many analysts, journalists and hardcore are content with doing.
There's nothing else to his post beyond that. If you're mad, you're probably one of the heartless hardcore and deserve to be called out on it.
"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks
noname2200 said:
Mm. He probably does it for the same reason I make long-ass posts: he likes the sound of the keyboard tacking. Mind you, his are worth reading. Besides, you can say the same thing for all of us here in the forums, or for most editorialists who have ever lived: why bother? The answer is actually pretty straightforward. You want to share your thoughts on a subject, and you keep writing because people (such as myself) are actually listening. I'm not sure if you've read all of his stuff, but if you ever have a few hours to spare I recommend that you do, especially the articles proper (beginning with the ones from The Wiikly in 2006). There's a lot of stuff to digest there, most of which made only marginal sense at first but which became increasingly likely to be correct as time marched on. Someone in this thread said that he's over-rated because he made a lucky prediction; actually he's given his reasons long before he was proven correct, and he's been right on several occassions, which unless he's unbelievably lucky tells me that he's got a grasp on the situation. |
I have read his stuff. I liked him at first, but I began to find probelms with his writing. For one, I hate arrogant people, and Sean is quite arrogant. He also repeats himself alot, doesn't get to the point, and uses frivolous analogies. Talk radio hosts repeat themselves; I guess it is okay for them since they don't have enough to fill their show and people start listining at different times so havn't heard everything and hwatnot. I read the whole article Sean. Repeating yourself insults my intelligence.
| Soriku said: @niksta and DMJ Yo, guys...if you so believe he's wrong then why don't you give arguments to why he's wrong? Basically, DMJ, you said "What kind of drugs is he on"? - dumb statement, and niksta you just cried "lololol fanboy" without giving reasons as to why you disagree with him. That just makes you two look stupid. |
I disagree with him because he always praises the wii like it's a god and always downplays the xbox 360/ps3 using stupid metaphors like the "yellow brick road" article that we all just read.
he must think he's clever "oh look at me, I can compare the state of video games to the wizard of oz"
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